where's d best diesel? caltex - petron - shell ???

[JJB]

petron may halo pero matagal maubos. shell pino pero mabilis maubos.

been using Petron for 7 years for my 11 year old Santa Fe, tama nga sila madumi ang petron, looks kelangan ng linis ng injectors ko. medyo minsan palyado yun makina ko. i have been warned 3 years ago not to use the Petron on my maselan ng Hyundai CRDi. ngaun gagastos na naman ako pero bebenta ko naman SF ko eh hehe

OT: Bet ko na walang bara ang injectors mo. Madumi lang MAF sensor and intake. Palinis mo muna at palagyan ng OCC. Rare na ngayon bumara CRDI injectors since high-pressure flow sya

[jut703]

this is true. madume talaga diesel dito sa'tin. kung minsan even if you gas sa suki mo nasa sosyal na area, I gas up in White Plains Petron or San Miguel Petron, wala din eh. Yun Santa Fe ko ang ingay-ingay na ngaun parang crosswind, considering ang tahimik nito dati. now with my ranger, 3 months ago, tahimik yun makina nun eh ngaun paingay na din.

madumi talaga diesel diba nga hinuhuli ngaun sila kasi instead na ethanol meron sila nilalagay na chemical na nol din sa huli can't remember. so if those rangers are bogging down, I believe diesel is the culprit lalo na kung provincial based ka. I have a friend who works in Petron.

Ang modus daw ng mga Petron Franchisees is to get the Petron name pero bumibile sila sa mga naglalako ng mga unmarked tanker na adulterated diesel. Meron daw barko na nagbabagsak dito from other Countries, usually China na maduming diesel at mas mura eto, that's why tempted ang mga Fuel station operators to buy from this bogus trucks.
yun recent investigation nila, halos 70% ng fuel stations sa probinsya compromised. eh ano naman daw gagawin ng Petron. if they force closure, eh sarado 70% ng Petron stations so they just penalize na lang daw. btw, it's not only petron ha, even shell from the provinces buy from these trucks. so pag nakakita kayo ng truck na unmarked pero laman fuel, yun na yun.

we live in interesting times indeed.

Terribly, terribly misinformed. I don't usually reply to trolls but someone else might believe your bullshit and I hate misinformation.

Those unmarked tankers, they also get from Petron, Shell, Caltex, Total, and Unioil depots. Those are wholesale distributors - they get practically the same product as retail stations, but at much lower prices.

They then sell to generic stations, but occasionally to branded stations as well (at least you got that part correct). Tama naman kasi - the usual contention of the dealer is, "bakit ang mahal ng benta ni Petron sakin, pero kay wholesaler X mas mura, eh pareho lang naman ng produkto. So kay wholesaler X nalang ako kukuha."

70% is utter BS. Based on firsthand experience, it's much closer to 10% - meron talagang mga branded stations in the province na "kumukuha sa labas" as we call it, but konti lang.

Also, smuggled fuel does not come from China. Yes there are direct smugglers (there are also technical smugglers but that's another issue). Often, it comes from SG/Korea/Indonesia/Malaysia because these are the trading hubs and refineries near us. However, most of the dumping comes not from these sources but from the wholesalers mentioned above, which get their fuel from the major players anyway.

Another source of adulterated fuel which is more rampant than physically smuggled fuel is what we call "paihi". Eto yung fuel na ninanakaw ng drivers from the tankers and then they resell them at a lower price. Every 20,000L tanker, mga 50-200L yung ninanakaw para hindi halata. Then ireresell.

If you pass by Roman Highway along Bataan marami kang makikitang trapal sa gilid, yun yung cover ng mga paihian. All it takes is 5 minutes and poof bawas na laman ng delivery. Ang talo dito is yung station na dapat dedeliveran nung tanker.

What happens sometimes for gasoline is mas malaki yung ninanakaw (more than 1000L) tapos papalitan ng methanol because it's much cheaper. So pag chineck ng station, hindi nabawasan yung laman ng tanke kasi yung ninakaw, napalitan na. This can cause serious damage to engines because engines are not designed to run on methanol which can corrode fuel lines. The DOE-accepted level of methanol is 0.1%. I've seen cases as high as 10% methanol.

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[monty_GTV]

Terribly, terribly misinformed. I don't usually reply to trolls but someone else might believe your bullshit and I hate misinformation.

Those unmarked tankers, they also get from Petron, Shell, Caltex, Total, and Unioil depots. Those are wholesale distributors - they get practically the same product as retail stations, but at much lower prices.

They then sell to generic stations, but occasionally to branded stations as well (at least you got that part correct). Tama naman kasi - the usual contention of the dealer is, "bakit ang mahal ng benta ni Petron sakin, pero kay wholesaler X mas mura, eh pareho lang naman ng produkto. So kay wholesaler X nalang ako kukuha."

70% is utter BS. Based on firsthand experience, it's much closer to 10% - meron talagang mga branded stations in the province na "kumukuha sa labas" as we call it, but konti lang.

Also, smuggled fuel does not come from China. Yes there are direct smugglers (there are also technical smugglers but that's another issue). Often, it comes from SG/Korea/Indonesia/Malaysia because these are the trading hubs and refineries near us. However, most of the dumping comes not from these sources but from the wholesalers mentioned above, which get their fuel from the major players anyway.

Another source of adulterated fuel which is more rampant than physically smuggled fuel is what we call "paihi". Eto yung fuel na ninanakaw ng drivers from the tankers and then they resell them at a lower price. Every 20,000L tanker, mga 50-200L yung ninanakaw para hindi halata. Then ireresell.

If you pass by Roman Highway along Bataan marami kang makikitang trapal sa gilid, yun yung cover ng mga paihian. All it takes is 5 minutes and poof bawas na laman ng delivery. Ang talo dito is yung station na dapat dedeliveran nung tanker.

What happens sometimes for gasoline is mas malaki yung ninanakaw (more than 1000L) tapos papalitan ng methanol because it's much cheaper. So pag chineck ng station, hindi nabawasan yung laman ng tanke kasi yung ninakaw, napalitan na. This can cause serious damage to engines because engines are not designed to run on methanol which can corrode fuel lines. The DOE-accepted level of methanol is 0.1%. I've seen cases as high as 10% methanol.

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very informative

[benchph1]

Is there still biodiesel around with corn ethanol ?

back when the family still had our 01 Gen1 carnival nagpapakarga ako dun. I even forgot the name of the small player gas station na blended na ang diesel nila with ethanol. Amoy "french fries" ang exhaust. Lol i kid you not. And ang ganda ng takbo of course


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[minicarph]

Terribly, terribly misinformed. I don't usually reply to trolls but someone else might believe your bullshit and I hate misinformation.

Those unmarked tankers, they also get from Petron, Shell, Caltex, Total, and Unioil depots. Those are wholesale distributors - they get practically the same product as retail stations, but at much lower prices.

They then sell to generic stations, but occasionally to branded stations as well (at least you got that part correct). Tama naman kasi - the usual contention of the dealer is, "bakit ang mahal ng benta ni Petron sakin, pero kay wholesaler X mas mura, eh pareho lang naman ng produkto. So kay wholesaler X nalang ako kukuha."

70% is utter BS. Based on firsthand experience, it's much closer to 10% - meron talagang mga branded stations in the province na "kumukuha sa labas" as we call it, but konti lang.

Also, smuggled fuel does not come from China. Yes there are direct smugglers (there are also technical smugglers but that's another issue). Often, it comes from SG/Korea/Indonesia/Malaysia because these are the trading hubs and refineries near us. However, most of the dumping comes not from these sources but from the wholesalers mentioned above, which get their fuel from the major players anyway.

Another source of adulterated fuel which is more rampant than physically smuggled fuel is what we call "paihi". Eto yung fuel na ninanakaw ng drivers from the tankers and then they resell them at a lower price. Every 20,000L tanker, mga 50-200L yung ninanakaw para hindi halata. Then ireresell.

If you pass by Roman Highway along Bataan marami kang makikitang trapal sa gilid, yun yung cover ng mga paihian. All it takes is 5 minutes and poof bawas na laman ng delivery. Ang talo dito is yung station na dapat dedeliveran nung tanker.

What happens sometimes for gasoline is mas malaki yung ninanakaw (more than 1000L) tapos papalitan ng methanol because it's much cheaper. So pag chineck ng station, hindi nabawasan yung laman ng tanke kasi yung ninakaw, napalitan na. This can cause serious damage to engines because engines are not designed to run on methanol which can corrode fuel lines. The DOE-accepted level of methanol is 0.1%. I've seen cases as high as 10% methanol.

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yun 10% is so small juts. look at most provincial fuel stations as well as some city stations, lahat may jeepney price and dedicated tank. that alone is enough proof na there is rampant distribution of inferior fuel sa'tin. how can a gas station offer P3 less than the regular diesel for private motorists. that boggles the mind. say what if a dealer decides to put the same fuel dun sa pang-private, who would know? would we know while gassing up. malalaman na lang natin pag may katok or palpak ang performance ng fuel. but how, usually in the provinces less traffic, largabyahe. mas napapansin ang imperfections ng fuel quality sa stop and go traffic. kaya nakakalusot sila

[minicarph]

OT: Bet ko na walang bara ang injectors mo. Madumi lang MAF sensor and intake. Palinis mo muna at palagyan ng OCC. Rare na ngayon bumara CRDI injectors since high-pressure flow sya

actually, magpapa-complete cleaning ako pati EGR na din. di ako nagpablank eh coz I care for the environment

[jut703]

yun 10% is so small juts. look at most provincial fuel stations as well as some city stations, lahat may jeepney price and dedicated tank. that alone is enough proof na there is rampant distribution of inferior fuel sa'tin. how can a gas station offer P3 less than the regular diesel for private motorists. that boggles the mind. say what if a dealer decides to put the same fuel dun sa pang-private, who would know? would we know while gassing up. malalaman na lang natin pag may katok or palpak ang performance ng fuel. but how, usually in the provinces less traffic, largabyahe. mas napapansin ang imperfections ng fuel quality sa stop and go traffic. kaya nakakalusot sila

Sino ba sating dalawa ang nagtrabaho sa petroleum industry at humawak ng mga probinsya?

PUJ lanes are there simply because they can afford to. Either the company (for branded stations) or the dealer themselves (for generics) supports the discounts for the cheaper diesel.

That's exactly the same fuel as regular diesel. Hindi lang inaalok sa lahat kasi hindi naman kasing price sensitive ang private buyers kaysa PUJ driver.

Oftentimes, though there is a separate pump for PUJ lanes, these are all connected to the same diesel UGT.

If you wanna know how low diesel can go, visit Tarlac. Nasa 26 lang ang Diesel dun. That's exactly the same diesel that they sell to you in Manila for 30 pesos.

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[monty_GTV]

Sino ba sating dalawa ang nagtrabaho sa petroleum industry at humawak ng mga probinsya?

PUJ lanes are there simply because they can afford to. Either the company (for branded stations) or the dealer themselves (for generics) supports the discounts for the cheaper diesel.

That's exactly the same fuel as regular diesel. Hindi lang inaalok sa lahat kasi hindi naman kasing price sensitive ang private buyers kaysa PUJ driver.

Oftentimes, though there is a separate pump for PUJ lanes, these are all connected to the same diesel UGT.

If you wanna know how low diesel can go, visit Tarlac. Nasa 26 lang ang Diesel dun. That's exactly the same diesel that they sell to you in Manila for 30 pesos.

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kaya mo yan bro jut hahaja

i did not noticed na mura pala sa tarlac. since na-open ang tplex/sctex, i seldom pass by inner tarlac na. sa amin sa pangasinan, mas cheaper ang diesel sa west (like sa alaminos) kesa sa eastern part (say urdaneta). the cheapest price ng diesel sa experience ko ay sa tagaytay. pinaka-expensive sa nga dinadaanan ko ay sa tplex/nlex stops. nasa 3 petot higher ang diff sa manila

[wavecxs]

slightly OT. diesel prices in silang, I think up to Tagaytay, is 28 last time we were there.

Then Unioil has that 2 pesos off from SNR, so it's also 26 pesos 😀

[Stigg ma]

question po sa usapang pa ihi: methanol is better than ethanol po ba? methanol is cheaper than ethanol? methanol is less damaging (corrosive) than ethanol?