Caltex/Chevron with Techron now Euro4

[jut703]

Question lang sir. Halos lahat ba ng generic na gasoline station sa petron nakuha ng supply? Meaning euro4 na rin sila?.

Iba iba, depende sa area. All brands naman aggressive din sa wholesale except Caltex. Petron pa rin pinakamalaking market share sa wholesale ngayon kasi bagsak presyo sila. But iba iba talaga. And usually hindi exclusive - minsan yung gasolina galing Shell, diesel galing Total. O kaya this delivery sa PTT kukuha, next week sa Unioil.

Ganun ang buhay generic. Walang exclusivity. Kung saan mura dun sila.

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[radz15]

Iba iba, depende sa area. All brands naman aggressive din sa wholesale except Caltex. Petron pa rin pinakamalaking market share sa wholesale ngayon kasi bagsak presyo sila. But iba iba talaga. And usually hindi exclusive - minsan yung gasolina galing Shell, diesel galing Total. O kaya this delivery sa PTT kukuha, next week sa Unioil.

Ganun ang buhay generic. Walang exclusivity. Kung saan mura dun sila.

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Ohh i see. Pero yung mga generics meron ba silang sariling additives? Or ready to use na sa kinukuhanan tas pinapalitan nalang yung name?.

Is it true na nadadaya yung pump? Ang sabi sabi kasi pag sa generic kadalasan may daya sa pump. Kumbaga pag nagpagas ka ng 100. 70% gas 30% hangin.

[jut703]

Ohh i see. Pero yung mga generics meron ba silang sariling additives? Or ready to use na sa kinukuhanan tas pinapalitan nalang yung name?.

Is it true na nadadaya yung pump? Ang sabi sabi kasi pag sa generic kadalasan may daya sa pump. Kumbaga pag nagpagas ka ng 100. 70% gas 30% hangin.

Sometimes, yung dinedeliver sa independent, walang additives. Minsan, exactly the same product as in the branded stations.

Di rin totoo na 70% gas lang ang kinakarga. Worst they can do is miss out on calibrating the pumps. But hindi malaki ang variance niyan. Malaki na ang 5% difference.

May ibang generic though na hindi kumukuha directly from wholesalers. Bumibili sila from mga paihi ng mga driver, yung mga nakaw na produkto. Eto yung mas shady. Meron din yung iba hinahaluan ng methanol yung produkto nila para mas mura tapos bebenta ng regular price. Iba iba talaga depending on the area.

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[radz15]

Sometimes, yung dinedeliver sa independent, walang additives. Minsan, exactly the same product as in the branded stations.

Di rin totoo na 70% gas lang ang kinakarga. Worst they can do is miss out on calibrating the pumps. But hindi malaki ang variance niyan. Malaki na ang 5% difference.

May ibang generic though na hindi kumukuha directly from wholesalers. Bumibili sila from mga paihi ng mga driver, yung mga nakaw na produkto. Eto yung mas shady. Meron din yung iba hinahaluan ng methanol yung produkto nila para mas mura tapos bebenta ng regular price. Iba iba talaga depending on the area.

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Mas ok na palang sa kilalang brand magpa karga kung cents lang ang diperensya.

Regarding pla sa mga presyo nagtataka ko bat iba iba yung price dipende sa lugar. Minsan kahit iisang city may part na mahal may part na mura vise versa. Tulad nalang sa Parañaque. Lets say shell diesel sa sucat road 25/l tas sa shell tambo 26/l after few months 28/l na sa shell sucat road and 27/l naman sa tambo.

[StockEngine]

Sometimes, yung dinedeliver sa independent, walang additives. Minsan, exactly the same product as in the branded stations.

Di rin totoo na 70% gas lang ang kinakarga. Worst they can do is miss out on calibrating the pumps. But hindi malaki ang variance niyan. Malaki na ang 5% difference.

May ibang generic though na hindi kumukuha directly from wholesalers. Bumibili sila from mga paihi ng mga driver, yung mga nakaw na produkto. Eto yung mas shady. Meron din yung iba hinahaluan ng methanol yung produkto nila para mas mura tapos bebenta ng regular price. Iba iba talaga depending on the area.

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Bro is there a way to know that shell/caltex/petron stations in marikina are selling exactly what they're suppose to sell?

For example the petron station sa adb avenue. I think thats a legit station right? Or yun mga mga nasa c-5. Or im 15% wrong. Hahaha. Over analyzing *sh1turd*.

Or sa provinces lng nag kaka-wholesale fraud? Like crossbuying like what you mentioned earlier in this thread.

[CVT]

Noon pa dapat may IPO ang Shell since the law states that all companies operating refineries should be public. Galing din ng legal team eh no, hanggang ngayon la pa IPO.

Caltex just buys from Petron for most of their NL supply. Yung mga malapit lang sa Batangas yung nasusupplyan ng depot nila dun. But elsewhere in the country halos wala na silang sariling supply. Though to be fair maganda naman additives ng Caltex, and as a multinational they usually have better operational standards compared to smaller players.

I would strongly recommend against getting a Petron Bulilit today. Back in the late '00s when it was launched, it was a good idea - Petron invests in your pumps and tanks, all you needed was a small plot of land in a rural town, plus the civil works. For less than 3M you can already have a station.

At that time you would gross about P120k a month. Higher if your town has huge volume potential. Net would be about 60k.

Nowadays, Petron has many bulilits per town, so volume is halved, gross income is halved, but investment and fixed costs remain the same.

But what really puts the nail in the coffin is that Petron also supplies to the generic/independent stations around you. So ikaw, Petron ka, you have to make do with their pathetic unit margin. Yung generic, bebentahan nila at near-wholesale prices which results in much better margins.

For example, ikaw as Petron Bulilit, bebentahan ka diesel at P25/L, yung generic sa tabi mo bebentahan din ni Petron but at P22/L. Sasabihin sayo ng ASE mo, "eh di naman kami naginvest diyan so we don't have to recover anything", but when you compute it, ilang buwan lang bawi na yung generic sa puhunan niya kasi ang laki ng unit margin niya.

Kawawa talaga Petron Bulilit ngayon. Oversaturated network, plus the fact that Petron is supplying to independents because they have to flush out their products to keep their Limay Refinery profitable to justify the millions of dollars they invested in it.

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Wow! Keep the factory humming to spread the FC....

Even if that means selling at near-MC.....


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[crazy_boy]

totoo ba na shell is getting their Metro Manila supply from Total?

[Djerms]

jut703,

Since fuels can be labeled Euro 4 or higher but its the quality that most of the times fail our engines. I am more interested in quality standards ng mga big players. Shell pa din ba ang pinaka okay sa handling ng fuels? Or wala na ba sila lahat pakialam once they distribute to the local stations? Minsan kasi Euro 4 nga pero dumi naman ng stations.

[baludoy]

iyong caltex pamplona tres branch sa las pinas next year na daw sila magbenta ng euro 4 grade fuels. ubusin muna nila iyong stock daw nila bago palit ng euro 4 grade fuel stocks

[Stigg ma]

iyong caltex pamplona tres branch sa las pinas next year na daw sila magbenta ng euro 4 grade fuels. ubusin muna nila iyong stock daw nila bago palit ng euro 4 grade fuel stocks

not impressed by caltex announcement to go euro4... they can do it anytime since imported naman ang product nila yet nag hihintay pa sila ng 2016 to implement as mandated by DOE, nasaan ang care for the environment initiative ninyo?