Biodiesel Rulez!!! [ARCHIVED]

[HardCharger]

Hi All!

paulbaguio:

While DMP is a form of biodiesel, it's accreditation with the DOE (the last I heard anyway) was revoked because it failed to conform to the set standards for biodiesel.

I'd caution you from using this if this was the case.

While it may work, it's a hit or miss proposition.

Again, I'm basing this opinion on what I heard before regarding this product.

I recommend sticking to well known & reliable brands.

You know what they say, you get what you pay for.

Hope this helps.

:regards:

[paulbaguio]

Hi All!

paulbaguio:

While DMP is a form of biodiesel, it's accreditation with the DOE (the last I heard anyway) was revoked because it failed to conform to the set standards for biodiesel.

I'd caution you from using this if this was the case.

While it may work, it's a hit or miss proposition.

Again, I'm basing this opinion on what I heard before regarding this product.

I recommend sticking to well known & reliable brands.

You know what they say, you get what you pay for.

Hope this helps.

:regards:

Hmmm.. Thanks HardCharger... sound logical and realistic.

Anyway, I cant help but notice that you have are advertising biodiesel products (you got your phone numbers included)? Correct me if Im wrong, but you maybe a competitor?
Just being the devil's advocate, no accusations implied... just a curious post..

Anyway, what products would you recommend?

Anyone endorsing DMP, would you like to defend your side?

[Horsepower]

*OTEP: na-try ko na yun pero natawa ako nung sinabing 1% lang. My initial reaction was like "1% lang?????" hahahaha

I was expecting like at least 10% BD pero anyway, 1% lang yun eh, i doubt if it can make any change.

[equaltruth]

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[SIZE=1]SECTION 1. Short Title[/SIZE][SIZE=1]. – This Act shall be known as the “Biofuels Act of 1 2006.”[/SIZE]

SEC. 3. Definition of Terms.


As used in this Act, the following terms shall be taken to mean as follows:

d) Biodiesel – shall refer to Fatty Acid Methyl Ester (FAME) or mono-alkyl esters
derived from vegetable oils or animal fats and other biomass-derived oils that
shall be technically proven and approved by the DOE for use in diesel
engines, with quality specifications in accordance with the Philippine National
Standards (PNS);

e) Bioethanol Fuel – shall refer to hydrous or anhydrous bioethanol
suitably denatured for use as motor fuel, with quality specifications in
accordance with the PNS;

Therefore, BIO-DIESEL is made thru Esterification, otherwise known as Coconut Methy Ester (ification) CME.
FATTY ACID METHYL ESTER [FAME] IFICATION or Trans [ester] ification

Transesterification

In organic chemistry, transesterification is the process of exchanging the alkoxy
group of an ester compound by another alcohol. These reactions are often
catalyzed by the addition of an acid or base.

Rancidification
Rancidification is the decomposition of fats and other lipids by hydrolysis and/or
oxidation. Hydrolysis will split fatty acid chains away from the glycerol backbone
in glycerides.These free fatty acids can then undergo further auto-oxidation.
Oxidation primarily occurs with unsaturated fats by a free radical-mediated process.

Redox(Redirected from Oxidation)

Redox reactions include all chemical processes in which atoms have their oxidation
number (oxidation state) changed.


This can be a simple redox process, such as the oxidation of carbon to yield carbon
dioxide, it could be the reduction of carbon by hydrogen to yield methane (CH4), or
a complex process such as the oxidation of sugar in the human body, through a
series of very complex electron transfer processes.


The term redox comes from the two concepts of reduction and oxidation. It can be
explained in simple terms:

Oxidation describes the loss of an electron by a molecule, atom or ion
Reduction describes the gain of an electron by a molecule, atom or ion

Combustion of hydrocarbons, e.g. in an internal combustion engine, produces water,
carbon dioxide, some partially oxidized forms such as carbon monoxide and heat
energy. Complete oxidation of materials containing carbon produces carbon dioxide.

[rsnald]

*OTEP: na-try ko na yun pero natawa ako nung sinabing 1% lang. My initial reaction was like "1% lang?????" hahahaha

I was expecting like at least 10% BD pero anyway, 1% lang yun eh, i doubt if it can make any change.

pre, ok na yung 1%. I was one of the lucky few who was able to witness the dyno tests done on additized and un-additized (no additives) diesel fuel w/ 1%, 2%, and 5% CME done about 3 years ago , this was endorsed by DOE and witnessed by representatives of the major oil players, automotive companies, and motoring groups, academe, and cme manufacturers, etc. 1% turned out to be good enough in reducing emissions, and improving the power and torque output of a stationary test engine, and isuzu C140 diesel engine. additional dosages did not give any additional advantage in terms of power and torque, but emissions may be reduced but marginally only. Kung 10%, or B10, medyo mamahal na yung diesel nyan dahil medyo mahal pa presyo ng coco oil compared to diesel fuel.

eto yung thread.. buti buhay pa. hth ;)

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...highlight=dyno

[XTO]

Mga boss pasensya na kung ako ay magtatanong. Hindi ko kasi na-backread yung buong thread.

Malapit lang ako sa Philippine Coconut Authority (sa Commonwealth) and kakabukas lang nila ng Flying V station on their grounds. They are offering premixed BD. Ok na ba ito? Tamad kasi ako maghalo. :D

Boss Otep, I tried Flying V’s biodiesel premium (with 1% biodiesel) only once hindi ko nagustuhan ang response considering bagong oil change pa. Balik na ko sa Bioactive (from Petron) mixed it up with Shell Diesoline Ultra or Caltex Power diesel. Wala talagang usok kahit below halfway pa ang temp. unlike last month I tried loading with Shell Diesoline Ultra alone without mixing Bioactive kitang kita ko sa rear view mirror mausok even normal operating temp na.

Hi Otep,

Yup i loaded a fulltank of it more than a week ago...and now i can't wait to fully consume what's left of it in my tank (after already loading with P500 worth of Petron diesel again); one of the noticeable change after loading with Flying V was noisier engine...i am not at all new to the use of biodiesel as i have tried it during the Senbel times and bioactiv as well...i did not get the same response i was expecting. Pumalya pa nga one time on one of those cold morning startups (cold weather) and this never happened before (except when my pump and nozzles were due for replacement/calib)...now the engine's running quite smoothly again and am expecting to improve more on my next fuel up.

Could be an insolated case though...

agree din ako, balik ako sa self mixing 1-2% Bioactive with either Shell Diesoline Ultra or Caltex Power Diesel.

[Horsepower]

*rsnald: Thanks for that info :D

[HardCharger]

Hi All!

I knew that I should have put up a disclaimer together with my last post

While they may be a competitor (if they were legit), I believe in playing fair.

If our products conform to standards, so should theirs. That may explain some price difference.

Besides, think about it. Biodiesel is just starting up here in our country and there are a lot of skeptics.

There are always rumors of it being a bad product and that it will have a negative effect on your rig.

While effects vary for everyone who uses it, it's defintely not on the negative side IF it was made to conform to the set standards.

Using a product like DMP (who I beleive is still not accredited) may (like I said, hit or miss) give you a bad experience and thus a bad view of biodiesel in general which the naysayers will use to add to their "evidence" that biodiesel is actually bad.

I make it a point to know and keep tabs on my competitors to make sure that the products are according to standards and are on the up and up.

It helps with my presentations and at the same time we can actually separate the "bad guys" from the "good guys" and thus help to protect the product and the industry.

I don't force people to buy from me and if they find a cheaper vendor who sells product up to standards, then I say good for them and just find better ways to improve my sale and pricing.

I DO NOT engage in smear campaigns. (I'm not in politics or runnig for office here)

Hope this helps clarify things for those in doubt of my intentions.

:regards:

[altec]

just because its a cme in a bottle, doesn't mean its good. Homebrews doesn't necessarily make it cheaper, nor are their quality at par or better than those commercial brands. From my experience, I am using bioactiv, because I have extensively tried another brand and ended up with several of our company fleet having to recalibrate the injection pumps, including my sedona, which was lucky enough to be under warranty. My research is on the other website.

Bottom line, you want to try, go ahead. But use a brand that is tried and tested. You may be an owner of a toyota or a mitsu, or an isuzu, but you don't own toyota, mitsu, or isuzu, unless you are that rich and can afford to take the risk.

[biogas.works]

*OTEP: na-try ko na yun pero natawa ako nung sinabing 1% lang. My initial reaction was like "1% lang?????" hahahaha

I was expecting like at least 10% BD pero anyway, 1% lang yun eh, i doubt if it can make any change.

Dear Friends,

Don't LAUGH at 1% CME Blends! In my postings, PLEASE NOTE that I have been recommending 0.5% CME (1/2 manufacturers' recommendation and 1/2 of legislation under the BioFuels Act of 2006) as my tests give BETTER fuel mileage and performance at that lower blend.

As CME is expensive and if LESS can give BETTER Mileage and Performance, why use more considering that both our raw materials are finite and our production facilities are limited.

My tests have not run on a chassis dynamometer as they should have been. There are only two (2) such machines in the Philippines. The PNOC-EDC machine has been in-operational for many years and I cannot afford the AUTOPLUS machine (as my tests only use personal funds.)

Interestingly, AUTOPLUS says no biodiesel tests by any organization (including the DOE) have used their machine. Previous tests if done on bench dynamometers, would be valid for short test periods only.

My tests run on simulated chassis dynamometer tests. I have accumulated 6,000+ kms using different BioDiesels like “home-made cooking oil BD”, “home-made Coconut Methly Ester” and ”DOE approved CME.”

SIGNIFICANT mileage savings from first time use of BioDiesel (including 1% CME) are TRUE! Long term use, however, is different. I observed a one-time drop in mileage after 2,000 km on 1% CME that forced me to shift to 0.5% CME.

The latter follows a Canadian report that found after 2+ years of testing 5% Canola BioDiesel that lower blends like 0.25% were better. (Search: Saskatoon Biobus II Final Research Report and read Section 4: Higher Precision Highway Fuel Economy and Engine Wear Evaluations.)

I have now logged 3,000+ kms on 0.5% CME. My mileage savings and engine performance continues to be better than 1% CME. I have shared this information with the DOE and Bus Companies and they said they will look into it. Apparently they are since the BioFuels Act of 2006 that was supposed to be implemented before Christmas appears to be on hold.

Please try 0.5% CME instead of 1% CME, compare the performance and report your findings in this forum so that we can all learn from it.

Happy New Year and Best Regards to all.

Gerry