Biodiesel Rulez!!! [ARCHIVED]

**wowiesy** · August 31st, 2005 11:32 AM

has anybody confirmed with toyota that using biodiesel (at whatever percentage) on innova diesel is supported ? di kaya ma void ang warranty?

**altec** · August 31st, 2005 11:35 AM

Rafraf mentioned my research. The thread BIODIESEL FUEL ECONOMY RESULTS is also here in tsikot but inactive. Surprisingly, maraming hits, pero walang comments, kaya di ko na lang na update. The updated version is over at kotse.com. For your easy reference, please access the link below.

http://www.kotse.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2718

Wowsie, yes, I confirmed it with Toyota. Ok ang biodiesel sa innova.

**Dieseler** · August 31st, 2005 03:33 PM

Oo nga pala, there were problems with more modern diesel engines before, like the Isuzu Trooper, or vehicles with rail-type diesel engines. Was this resolved na?

**amboy** · August 31st, 2005 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by bongliza

bro amboy, I usually drive to Baguio 2x to 3x a year. Nagbabaon ako ng biodiesel going up from Manila last time. Taga Baguio din ako, from Minesview. If meyron ng Senbel diyan, mas convenient na for me kasi di na ako magdadala ng Biodiesel. Puwede bang makuha yung address ng dealer diyan sa Baguio? Thanks

bro, you have PM

**jaeger** · August 31st, 2005 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Dieseler

Oo nga pala, there were problems with more modern diesel engines before, like the Isuzu Trooper, or vehicles with rail-type diesel engines. Was this resolved na?

Yes, this was finally resolved. The culprit was dirty local diesel. When the SUVic Bighorns (Trooper) entered the local market, prone to tirik sila - in the middle of the road, the engine would just shut down, and the ignition key wouldn't work. Shell conducted a thorough investigation after reports that Bighorns engine shut down after loading with Diesoline. Shell engineers found out that CRDI's need fuel filter with at least 2-micron filtration capability, since the orifice of the CRDI's injector nozzles is equally as tiny.

What's worse is that each injector in a CRDI engine is controlled by a solenoid switch which is slaved to a sensor linked to the ECU, so if dirt gets stuck, the solenoid switch trips and sends signal to the ECU to interrupt the injection cycle thus effectively shutting down the engine! The ECU would lock the ignition key to prevent further damage to the engine. So tirik sila in the middle of the road. Pre-chambered and DI diesels don't have this problem since the hole in their nozzle tips aren't as tiny - fine dirt can pass through and get combusted, and most also don't have an ECU (injection is not electronically controlled).

Check out this post:

Originally Posted by BioActiv

. . . CRdi uses high pessure to atomize diesel fuel into very fine mist for complete combustion. Crdi was designed for high quality fuel such as of japan and korea. You can see why the design of the Crdi fuel filter is very maganda. It can filter up to microns of dirt to prevent the nozzles from plugging kasi Crdi nozzle tip is too tiny ga buhok lang ng kabayo ang orifice nya. Take note that BioActiv quality parameters surpass those of japan and korean diesel. Bioactiv (100% pure) has cetane number of 68 and 70 from the test conducted in SGS Japan and Denver Colorado in US. This are valid data and incurred lot of expenses for Chemrez. You may check guys sa web site namin www.chemrez.com the test conducted at Tokyo Metropolitan Research Inst. for Enviromental Protection sa Japan last year on mitsubishi and isuzu truck using chassis dynamometer . . . .

**Monseratto** · August 31st, 2005 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Psalm136:2

Does the price really justifies the use of biodiesel? I mean I've done some small research and practically almost any kind of cooking oil (new or used) can also be use to make it, aside from coconut oil. Use of other ingredients such as methanol, lyle and catalyst is also very minimal. Di kaya masyado naman yatang mataas ang patong ng mga dealers? Sorry po, tamaan wag magalit.

Senbel is NOT using waste vegetable oil (WVO) for their BD. I am sure it is the same with Chemrez. Mataas pa ang price because mahina pa demand. 10% sa dealer katulad ko to be frank with you guys. So right now mahalaga mag mainstream para bumaba price.

**Dieseler** · August 31st, 2005 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by jaeger

Yes, this was finally resolved. The culprit was dirty local diesel. When the SUVic Bighorns (Trooper) entered the local market, prone to tirik sila - in the middle of the road, the engine would just shut down, and the ignition key wouldn't work. Shell conducted a thorough investigation after reports that Bighorns engine shut down after loading with Diesoline. Shell engineers found out that CRDI's need fuel filter with at least 2-micron filtration capability, since the orifice of the CRDI's injector nozzles is equally as tiny.

What's worse is that each injector in a CRDI engine is controlled by a solenoid switch which is slaved to a sensor linked to the ECU, so if dirt gets stuck, the solenoid switch trips and sends signal to the ECU to interrupt the injection cycle thus effectively shutting down the engine! The ECU would lock the ignition key to prevent further damage to the engine. So tirik sila in the middle of the road. Pre-chambered and DI diesels don't have this problem since the hole in their nozzle tips aren't as tiny - fine dirt can pass through and get combusted.

Check out this post:

Oks! Thanks for the post!

Para clear lalo na sa mga Innova Diesel owners, IIRC, na rail-type ang engines.

**wowiesy** · August 31st, 2005 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by jaeger

Yes, this was finally resolved. The culprit was dirty local diesel. When the SUVic Bighorns (Trooper) entered the local market, prone to tirik sila - in the middle of the road, the engine would just shut down, and the ignition key wouldn't work. Shell conducted a thorough investigation after reports that Bighorns engine shut down after loading with Diesoline. Shell engineers found out that CRDI's need fuel filter with at least 2-micron filtration capability, since the orifice of the CRDI's injector nozzles is equally as tiny.

so meaning okay ang biodiesel sa mga IMV engines ng toyota? has toyota issued an official statement that they support this move? although weird naman kung tanggihan ng toyota phils eh mismo presidente na ang nag eendorse na gumamit ng biodiesel....