Biodiesel Rulez!!! [ARCHIVED]

[theveed]

sana may bio-gas hehe pang petrol engines

[Psalm136:2]

Tanong ko lang, based sa mga nakaraang posts on this thread, ano ba talaga ang tamang ratio? Let's say nagkarga ako ng 20L of diesel, how many liter/s of biodiesel ang kailangan kong idagdag to really feel the difference? Sorry ha, mahina kasi ko sa math, diko gets ang percentages, hehehe.

[Hibiki]

For regular use, 1% to 5% ratio would suffice (depending on your preference). For 20 liters, kung 5% (B5) ang ratio mo, you will add 1 liter of Biodiesel to a 19 liter regular diesel. (20 x .05=1). For a 1% mix (b1), 20 liters will require 200ml of Biodiesel into 19.8 liters of ordinary diesel.


For first time use, it is recommended that you clean your fuel line/injectors/pump first. There are two options:

1. Run the engine on 20% Biodiesel ratio for two tankfulls. This means if your ride has 50liters capacity, 50 x .2=10. This would mean, 50-10= 40liters regular diesel and 10 liters Biodiesel.

1. You can purge your injectors/fuel line using a pure 1 liter Biodiesel directly on the fuel line. You can do this by putting the injection pump intake and return line into the bottle of Biodiesel then rev the engine at various speeds. If your engine is really dirty, you might want to repeat the process with another 1liter pure BD. (Medyo matagal nga lang.)

[Hibiki]

Sorry. correction. For 20 liters, kung 5%, you will need 1 liter Biodiesel and add this to 20liters of regular diesel. For 1%, add 200ml into the 20liter regular diesel.

[jaeger]

Basic question lang : if local diesel has about 45 to 50 cetane index, mixing biodiesel at BD5 will result to increase in cetane index to around what kaya : 55 to 60 ?

I called the Shell Hotline (878-8888) to check if there are things I should worry about if I mix coco-based Senbel biodiesel at BD5 ratio to their Diesoline Ultra.

Since they invested so much money in de-sulfurization equipment at their Tabangao refinery to yeild 40ppm sulfur (better than Euro III-compliance), then they re-formulated their diesel with other additives to replace the lubricity of the sulfur that was removed. With all the other fuel additives they put into their Diesoline Ultra (detergent, lubricity, anti-foam, etc. and the list goes on) hindi kaya magreact ito sa biodiesel? Sana walang long-term harmful effects ito sa engines natin na hindi lang natin napapansin ngayon.

He said, tests are now on-going (DoE with all the producers of petroleum products) since all the research data available on the net is based on soybean-based biodiesel (derived from soybean oil) and not coconut oil. Kasi daw madami ring other ingredients itong coconut oil (like lauric acid, and other fatty-acids, etc.) na hindi pa alam kung ano ang magiging long term side-effect sa o-rings, gaskets, seals. Combustion-wise established na yung benefits ng coco-based biodiesel pero mga long-term side effects - they're still gathering data. Ang guinea pig e all government vehicles that are reuqired to use biodiesel.

[rsnald]

Basic question lang : if local diesel has about 45 to 50 cetane index, mixing biodiesel at BD5 will result to increase in cetane index to around what kaya : 55 to 60 ?

I called the Shell Hotline (878-8888) to check if there are things I should worry about if I mix coco-based Senbel biodiesel at BD5 ratio to their Diesoline Ultra.

Since they invested so much money in de-sulfurization equipment at their Tabangao refinery to yeild 40ppm sulfur (better than Euro III-compliance), then they re-formulated their diesel with other additives to replace the lubricity of the sulfur that was removed. With all the other fuel additives they put into their Diesoline Ultra (detergent, lubricity, anti-foam, etc. and the list goes on) hindi kaya magreact ito sa biodiesel? Sana walang long-term harmful effects ito sa engines natin na hindi lang natin napapansin ngayon.

He said, tests are now on-going (DoE with all the producers of petroleum products) since all the research data available on the net is based on soybean-based biodiesel (derived from soybean oil) and not coconut oil. Kasi daw madami ring other ingredients itong coconut oil (like lauric acid, and other fatty-acids, etc.) na hindi pa alam kung ano ang magiging long term side-effect sa o-rings, gaskets, seals. Combustion-wise established na yung benefits ng coco-based biodiesel pero mga long-term side effects - they're still gathering data. Ang guinea pig e all government vehicles that are reuqired to use biodiesel.

answers to your questions:
on cetane rating : di pa alam. believe it or not , walang cetane rating machine dito sa pinas. Yung cetane rating analysis done locally is done via computation from distillation data which only applies to petroleum-based diesel but does not apply to biodiesel. sa Singapore, meron sila nung actual machine which tests the knocking tendency of diesel. But definitely, cocodiesel will improve the cetane rating. pero unlike gasoline, di masyadong material yung cetane rating unlike octane rating. for most diesel engines, a cetane rating of 40 is good enough. higher cetane ratings will not give any significant advantage.

as for the harmful effects when blended with diesel... take it from me. I'm my own guinea pig. Been using it since 2003 on and off, and been using it with shell's diesoline. I've tried loading from 1 gallon (about 3.8 liters) to 1/2 liter per full tank. walang masamang epekto. The only problem I encountered was when I had to change my fuel filter when it got clogged. Nalinis kasi yung fuel line ng biodiesel and the gummy materials got stuck in the fuel filter. After that, wala ng ibang problema. Very clean exhaust (I got a 0.2 emission test last Feb, the lowest I got in 3 yrs), and very smooth acceleration.

yung lauric acid na sinasabi nila, it's reacted naman with methanol, so it's not in the acidic form. besides, lauric acid is one of the best detergent material there is. Gamit yan sa mga shampoo. So, actually nakakatulong pa nga sa detergency and lubrication.

Saka shempre, merong econo-politics involved dyan pag kausap mo taga petroleum industry. 1% of a billion peso income is still big money.

just my 2 sentimos :D

[Hibiki]

Sir Rsnald and Jaeger, the Cetane number for CocoDiesel is 70. This is way better than Shell's multi-million-peso concoction which averages around 40-50.

To know more about the different characteristics of BDs based on plant source, please visit this link http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html.

[bolantoy]

grabe! haba na tong thread ah!
been using bio diesel ng sea oil..
mahal langnga
naging smoother ang ride..
pero parang lamakas consumption ng diezel ko..
dati 6.5 naging 6.2? pero baka narin kasi sa gasoline station na kinargahan ko?

meron ba nag bebenta dito sa banawe area??

just a thought , di kaya maubusan naman tayo ng buco?

hehe mas mauuna pang maubos ang fossil fuel ng saudi arabia kesa sa buko natin kasi renewable ang buko, ang fossil fuel hinde.

[x-wind]

answers to your questions:
on cetane rating : di pa alam. believe it or not , walang cetane rating machine dito sa pinas. Yung cetane rating analysis done locally is done via computation from distillation data which only applies to petroleum-based diesel but does not apply to biodiesel. sa Singapore, meron sila nung actual machine which tests the knocking tendency of diesel. But definitely, cocodiesel will improve the cetane rating. pero unlike gasoline, di masyadong material yung cetane rating unlike octane rating. for most diesel engines, a cetane rating of 40 is good enough. higher cetane ratings will not give any significant advantage.

as for the harmful effects when blended with diesel... take it from me. I'm my own guinea pig. Been using it since 2003 on and off, and been using it with shell's diesoline. I've tried loading from 1 gallon (about 3.8 liters) to 1/2 liter per full tank. walang masamang epekto. The only problem I encountered was when I had to change my fuel filter when it got clogged. Nalinis kasi yung fuel line ng biodiesel and the gummy materials got stuck in the fuel filter. After that, wala ng ibang problema. Very clean exhaust (I got a 0.2 emission test last Feb, the lowest I got in 3 yrs), and very smooth acceleration.

yung lauric acid na sinasabi nila, it's reacted naman with methanol, so it's not in the acidic form. besides, lauric acid is one of the best detergent material there is. Gamit yan sa mga shampoo. So, actually nakakatulong pa nga sa detergency and lubrication.

Saka shempre, merong econo-politics involved dyan pag kausap mo taga petroleum industry. 1% of a billion peso income is still big money.

just my 2 sentimos

galing talaga ni chemist pre laba tayo sample dyan :bwahaha:

[nicko]

Just some additional information Rudolf Diesel the inventor of the diesel engine used peanut oil or Biodiesel as you call it today to run his diesel engine that was in 1912.
So your engines today which has a few modifications is principally can run on biodiesel alone. In memory of this event, August 10 has been declared as
International Biodiesel Day. Diesel later demonstrated his engine and received the "Grand Prix" (highest prize) at the at the World Fair in Paris, France in 1900. This engine stood as an example of Diesel's vision because it was powered by peanut oil—a biofuel, though not strictly biodiesel, since it was not transesterified. He believed that the utilization of a biomass fuel was the real future of his engine. In a 1912 speech, Rudolf Diesel said, "the use of vegetable oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today, but such oils may become, in the course of time, as important as petroleum and the coal-tar products of the present time.