Biodiesel Rulez!!! [ARCHIVED]

[garyq]

mga brad,,pano procedure yan if i go to a gas station,,can i ask them for that for a full tank with bio diesel....tnxs

bro sa flying V lang meron na premixed na ang BD. 1%BD or B1 ang diesel ng flying v. Seaoil meron na rin ata though not sure. wait for comments here. sa ibang gas station you can buy 100% bd that you mix with your diesel. try 5% sa first tank then 2%. some peeps her go down until .5%. sa preference mo na yun. one thing for sure, if you use cme ganda emissions mo.

[biogas.works]

mga brad,,pano procedure yan if i go to a gas station,,can i ask them for that for a full tank with bio diesel....tnxs

I agree with garyq, only Flying V sells pre-mixed 1% CME. You can buy 100% CME from Petron, SeaOil and Flying V gas stations in different names, colors & prices. ALL are approved by DOE & PNS.

To save money, at first time I suggest you only add 2% CME to 25 liters of diesel instead of 5% on a full tank.

60 liters with 5% = 3.0 liters costing P450 (BioActive *P75/500mL).
25 liters with 2% = 0.5 liters costing P75. Save P375.

You cannot OVERDOSE because CME can be used even at 100%. But why use more than you need.

After 2%, I also suggest 0.5% CME (instead of 1.0%) to continue saving money. The Fuel Savings of 1.0% is just very slightly higher -- its not worth the additional expense. I know because I conducted accurate & verifiable tests.

[pervagus]

All this talk about trying less than 1% biodiesel blend will be pointless once the law takes effect on May 6. All the diesel to be sold will be legally required to have a fixed initial 1% coco-biodiesel in it so it would no longer be practical to experiment with less than 1% blend thereafter. No one can anymore clamor to change this minimum as the law already fixes it. I would establish a baseline now and then see how a 1% blend later on would benefit me. Then I would progressively try ramping up by 1% until perhaps 5% to see the effects. Actually, one need not wait for May 6 to do this. I read somewhere that the optimum blend is 5% biodiesel blend so I'll experiment on this. Anyway, all the vehicle manufacturers worldwide have certified that any diesel engine is good up to 5%. I think they didn't exactly have coco-biodiesel yet in mind (perhaps they were referring to other more common biodiesels from other vegetable oils) but I suspect that coco-biodiesel would even be beneficial above 5%. Let's see.

[pervagus]

I agree with garyq, only Flying V sells pre-mixed 1% CME. You can buy 100% CME from Petron, SeaOil and Flying V gas stations in different names, colors & prices. ALL are approved by DOE & PNS.

To save money, at first time I suggest you only add 2% CME to 25 liters of diesel instead of 5% on a full tank.

60 liters with 5% = 3.0 liters costing P450 (BioActive *P75/500mL).
25 liters with 2% = 0.5 liters costing P75. Save P375.

You cannot OVERDOSE because CME can be used even at 100%. But why use more than you need.

After 2%, I also suggest 0.5% CME (instead of 1.0%) to continue saving money. The Fuel Savings of 1.0% is just very slightly higher -- its not worth the additional expense. I know because I conducted accurate & verifiable tests.

Fine, we will all benefit from coco-biodiesel later on. However, as a consumer and motorist what is my assurance that the oil companies are buying coco-biodiesel only from reliable suppliers? Does anyone here know who these players are aside from Senbel and Chemrez? Who is going to assure us that these two and all other manufacturers are reliable? I would be comfortable paying a bit more for assurance of quality. I hope the oil companies are not buying from wanna-bes or backyard makers. Baka maging lechon manok o shawarma na naman itong negosyo na ito?

[biogas.works]

All this talk about trying less than 1% biodiesel blend will be pointless once the law takes effect on May 6. All the diesel to be sold will be legally required to have a fixed initial 1% coco-biodiesel in it so it would no longer be practical to experiment with less than 1% blend thereafter. No one can anymore clamor to change this minimum as the law already fixes it. I would establish a baseline now and then see how a 1% blend later on would benefit me. Then I would progressively try ramping up by 1% until perhaps 5% to see the effects. Actually, one need not wait for May 6 to do this. I read somewhere that the optimum blend is 5% biodiesel blend so I'll experiment on this. Anyway, all the vehicle manufacturers worldwide have certified that any diesel engine is good up to 5%. I think they didn't exactly have coco-biodiesel yet in mind (perhaps they were referring to other more common biodiesels from other vegetable oils) but I suspect that coco-biodiesel would even be beneficial above 5%. Let's see.

I am only suggesting 0.5% because CME is UNIQUE. It appears to be the only biodiesel capable of giving 10-15% fuel mileage increase (or fuel savings) even when used at 0.5% and 1%. A quality that will make it an EXCELLENT EXPORT for us.

Since 5% is 10 times more than 0.5%, it is unlikely 5% will result in 10%x10 or 100% fuel mileage increase. The point is: "an optimum percentage will give best results" and, based on my verifiable tests, the additional fuel savings of 1% vs 0.5% is not worth the extra money.

The BioFuels Act was passed without firm knowledge of how 0.5%, 1%, 2%, etc. will provide Fuel Savings in long term use (because local chassis dynamometers capable of making these tests are in-operational and no foreign entities seem to have done such tests either.)

Trying 0.5% now (while we can still do it) simply generates more information that can be compared with 1% , 2%, etc. And if 0.5% or some other value proves to be better, I am sure that info will be taken into consideration in the future.

[big3_balls]

thanks sa mga tip mga brad,,,try ko yun,,planning to go in iloilo by RORO this april 6,,tingnan ko kung maganda nga,,thanks ulet

[garyq]

pervagus: companies manufacturing CME and selling them in the market are mandated to follow the PNS specs for BD100. Senbel and Chemrez are the biggest suppliers now and both BD coming from these mfgs pass the PNS for B100. At the volume needed to implement B1 for all diesels not everyone can jump into this bandwagon except big companies so hindi naman siguro magiging parang shawarma o lechon manok come to think of it pareho halos ang price ng 1 liter na BD and lechon manok. hehe. There is a study posted sa biodiesel.org wherein an minimum 1% blended diesel is enough to reduce the scar marks sa internal parts ng engine by 50%! Tama ka regarding the Biofuel Act. By May, B1 na lahat so hopefully this will help in reducing the harmful emissions being pumped into the air.

big3: bro undisputed na ang positive environmental effects ng BD. personally sa Trooper ko before at B5, bumaba ng 100% ang opacity reading ko sa emission center. I did a before and after reading. Maybe you want to try it. Nag RORO na rin kami ng wife ko all the way to Capiz. Ganda!

[rsnald]

Fine, we will all benefit from coco-biodiesel later on. However, as a consumer and motorist what is my assurance that the oil companies are buying coco-biodiesel only from reliable suppliers? Does anyone here know who these players are aside from Senbel and Chemrez? Who is going to assure us that these two and all other manufacturers are reliable? I would be comfortable paying a bit more for assurance of quality. I hope the oil companies are not buying from wanna-bes or backyard makers. Baka maging lechon manok o shawarma na naman itong negosyo na ito?

this is a perfectly valid point. I have a copy of the IRR (implementing rules and regulations) of the biofuels act of 2006. the key here is how well the goverment agencies (DOE as the lead agency) will do their job in monitoring and doing the chemical analysis of the bd sold by accredited manufacturers, as well as monitoring the blending/storage/distribution facilities (gas stations, etc). Di rin ganun kadali maging accredited manufacturer, you have to submit actual production samples to DOE for compliance analysis with the PNS for BD/CME. the accreditation process itself is one MAJOR bureaucratic obstacle course. so, dont ya worry, assuming the gov't people will do their work, we should pretty much get what we're paying for...now what I'm not sure of is, does that statement reassure you or...makes you feel uneasy

well, as a fallback, the consumer groups call always resort to independent tests. Some local lab facilities are already offering analysis of CME/BD.
just my 2 centavos

[biogas.works]

...well, as a fallback, the consumer groups call always resort to independent tests. Some local lab facilities are already offering analysis of CME/BD.
just my 2 centavos

One of most important (and valuable) feature of CME/BD that affects us all does not need "expensive" and "not immediately available" lab tests.
Everyone can easily determine if CME/BD will give additional Fuel Savings as implied in many studies that formed the BioFuels Act.
Determine baseline or pure diesel Fuel Consumption expressed as km/L now (while 100% diesel is still available) and later when only CME/BD blended diesel is available, compare new Fuel Consumption and see the positive or negative savings.
With this test, there is no waiting, no cost & no tampering.

[rsnald]

One of most important (and valuable) feature of CME/BD that affects us all does not need "expensive" and "not immediately available" lab tests.
Everyone can easily determine if CME/BD will give additional Fuel Savings as implied in many studies that formed the BioFuels Act.
Determine baseline or pure diesel Fuel Consumption expressed as km/L now (while 100% diesel is still available) and later when only CME/BD blended diesel is available, compare new Fuel Consumption and see the positive or negative savings.
With this test, there is no waiting, no cost & no tampering.

agree, we can all take fuel mileage comparisons... but the point is, you must be sure that the BD/CME passes the basic specifications for a good quality BD/CME. Otherwise, if it happens that the mileage figures does not prove that we do save fuel w/ 0.5% or 1% BD/CME addition, how are to tell that this is not caused by poor quality BD/CME?

One very important specification of BD/CME is "total glycerides" or what lab analysts call "TG"- this gives the amount of by-product glycerine that is not
removed from the BD/CME during refining plus- indirectly- the amount of vegetable oil (coconut oil in the case of CME) that was not converted to BD/CME. glycerine is not good for the engine, as it produces acrolein as a byproduct of combustion, and glycerine itself is also useless as a fuel, it can also gum up your engine internals.

another important specification is the acid value - this indicates the amount of fatty acids that are present in the BD/CME - the fatty acids may have resulted either from insufficient refining of the BD/CME or breakdown of the CME itself when it is stored for a prolonged time in moist or wet storage facilities. Again, the fatty acids are useless as fuel, and are not as combustible as BD/CME. being acidic, it may contribute to corrosion and/or gumming up of the engine internals.

so, if it were me, I'd still have the pure CME/BD tested for the important specs before I even do my mileage tests. just my humble opinion. ;)