Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[theveed]

So, will you also start a thread for every gasoline engine that has exploded as well? I'm pretty certain the odds are higher with gasoline powered cars since there are so much out there... Innovas, Starex incidents ring a bell?

Arguments based on speculations without actual experiences are entertaining and egotaining, but hardly educational.

[carbomb]

So, will you also start a thread for every gasoline engine that has exploded as well? I'm pretty certain the odds are higher with gasoline powered cars since there are so much out there... Innovas, Starex incidents ring a bell?

Arguments based on speculations without actual experiences are entertaining and egotaining, but hardly educational.

thats why im going to shup up and wait for the actual event to happen. cguro naman may basehan na ko that time

[rv]

thats why his name is carbomb nga eh! hahaha

[mark_t]

Hi Guys!

I have a question

Will it be possible to compress biogas for vehicle use?

Kasi mukhang maganda if you could make your own fuel dba?

Palagay ko ito pinakamagandang endgame sa pag convert ng gasoline engine for multi fuel

use. There are new technologies on biogas thats really interesting. Ang galing kung

kaninbaboy powered tsikot mo.


Ako i am for the promotion of lpg, lng for auto use pero ang hindi ko maintindihan eh

bakit inu una pa natin i export ang natural gas natin at import naman tayo lpg it does not

make sense to me.

[ghosthunter]

Hi Guys!

I have a question

Will it be possible to compress biogas for vehicle use? Kasi mukhang maganda if you could make your own fuel dba? Palagay ko ito pinakamagandang endgame sa pag convert ng gasoline engine for multi fuel use. There are new technologies on biogas thats really interesting. Ang galing kung kaninbaboy powered tsikot mo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogas

BIOGAS composition breakdown:
Methane, CH4 50-75%
Carbon dioxide, CO2 25-50%
Nitrogen, N2 0-10%
Hydrogen, H2 0-1%
Hydrogen sulphide, H2S 0-3%
Oxygen, O2 0-2%

From what I have read, it is possible to compress biogas for vehicle use. I think the main problem is the actual percentage of methane against the other gases in biogas. The percentage production of methane would depend in the "raw" materials in the bio-digester.

Methane will burn between 5 to 15 percent in air. Since an internal combustion engine will only run smoothly if a correct ratio of air & fuel is fed to the engine, the engine might run erratic with every batch of homebrew compressed biogas. On a small scale, I think it's not a problem as long as you plan to re-tune the "fuel" system to match the current "batch" of biogas fuel.

Ako i am for the promotion of lpg, lng for auto use pero ang hindi ko maintindihan eh. bakit inu una pa natin i export ang natural gas natin at import naman tayo lpg it does not

I think it is because we do not have an immediate market for CNG.

[ssalonga]

Hi Guys!

Ako i am for the promotion of lpg, lng for auto use pero ang hindi ko maintindihan eh bakit inu una pa natin i export ang natural gas natin at import naman tayo lpg it does not make sense to me.

mark_t that's a very interesting question, and i'd like to take a swing at it if you don't mind. I asked the same question last year when I first researched what I could do to reduce my individual carbon emission contribution to global warming.

You're right, we do produce our own Natural Gas from the Malampaya field in Northern Palawan which is exported as such. Natural gas is extracted directly from the ground and is made up of all the usual gases found in hydrocarbon petroleum. The Rep of the Phil has already commissioned franchises for 50 to 60 buses (can't remember exactly) to use Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) from the Bicutan daughter terminal of the NG pipeline from Batangas City Mother Terminal which is connected to the Malampaya fields by UW pipeline.

LPG on the other hand has traditionally been extracted as a by-product of petroleum refining (about 3% of the petroleum feed stock) most of the rest is gasoline, kerosene (JET A-1) diesel and bunker C. However, newer NG fields are putting up processing plants that strip LPG and other gases directly from Natural Gas. We do not yet have this ability since the demand for LPG is still quite low, but will certainly have it in the future as we join the LPG Highway (a pipeline that will originate in Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia, pass through Palawan on the way to China) in the next ten years. At that point we should be a net exporter of NG and LPG with a good supply of LPG.

If you check most of your LPG conversion suppliers you will find that they also carry kits for CNG (called "metano" in Italy) which should allow you to use CNG in Bicutan in your motorcar. The tanks will be heavier, efficiency lower than LPG and hardware more expensive.


That's what I know on that issue for now.....hope that's helpful to everyone... Cheers!


steve

[ghosthunter]

thats why im going to shup up and wait for the actual event to happen. cguro naman may basehan na ko that time

That might be a long time since auto-LPG has been available since the fuel price crisis when Ferdinand Marcos was still president.

[edtf]

thats why im going to shup up and wait for the actual event to happen. cguro naman may basehan na ko that time

that is weird now you are deviating from your first stance?!?! Lahat ng hinirit mo were on assumptions lang pala??? Ehhh dami na accidents that have happened with cooking LPG tanks exploding and burning houses/establishments down and you can still sleep soundly na meron kang LPG sa bahay ninyo? IF you fear LPG in cars then fear LPGs at home too and in restaurants and other commercial establishments na rin.

[mark_t]

Sir,

Thank you for the links, puede pala talaga biogas. the german army pala fueled their trucks with biogas in world war 2.

[ghosthunter]

Sir,

Thank you for the links, puede pala talaga biogas. the german army pala fueled their trucks with biogas in world war 2.

I think the following is one of the reasons why biogas isn't used to fuel vehicles as widely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogas

In some cases biogas contains siloxanes. These siloxanes are formed from the anaerobic decomposition of materials commonly found in soaps and detergents. During combustion of biogas containing siloxanes, silicon is released and can combine with free oxygen or various other elements in the combustion gas. Deposits are formed containing mostly silica (SiO2) or silicates (SixOy) and can also contain calcium, sulphur, zinc, phosphorus. These white mineral deposits build to a surface thickness of several millimetres and must be removed by chemical or mechanical means.

[webmiester]

that is weird now you are deviating from your first stance?!?! Lahat ng hinirit mo were on assumptions lang pala??? Ehhh dami na accidents that have happened with cooking LPG tanks exploding and burning houses/establishments down and you can still sleep soundly na meron kang LPG sa bahay ninyo? IF you fear LPG in cars then fear LPGs at home too and in restaurants and other commercial establishments na rin.

Carbomb's fears can have basis. For one, houses are rarely involved in vehicular accidents. They also are not moved around as often as cars are. They often also have better ventilation. These are some factors we can put in that makes LPG applications in houses safer than in cars.

In fairness, the proper LPG kits for cars though have thicker tanks, thicker rubber tubings, and feature copper tubings that run through the underside of the car.

Ive also read that in a car LPG system, the engine "sucks" the LPG from the tank, it isnt the tank "pushing" the lpg into the engine (like what happens in a house lpg stove). Thus, when a leakage thus occur, the lpg doesnt go OUT of the tubing, rather it is fresh air that goes IN to the tubing.


No matter what we say though, Car bomb's fears may stay with him. One does not get rid of his fears simply because he was berrated in at a discussion. His fears are valid, and I respect that.

[carbomb]

thx webmiester. to tell u the truth, i am not good with words. philisophy is my most hated subject during college. aminado ako dyan. kaya parati akong natatalo sa mga discussions. to the sound of their responses kc parang ginagawa nila akong ignorante. they better tell those things in front of me and ill show them what im capable of sabi ko nga, im not good with words

[ghosthunter]

thx webmiester. to tell u the truth, i am not good with words. philisophy is my most hated subject during college. aminado ako dyan. kaya parati akong natatalo sa mga discussions. to the sound of their responses kc parang ginagawa nila akong ignorante. they better tell those things in front of me and ill show them what im capable of sabi ko nga, im not good with words

OT: even I am not good with words, especially with a face to face debate where speedy rebuttals is essential. The advantage of having your messages posted in a forum (like this) is you have time to form your responses and even change them when it is needed. Just takes practice and you can develop this kind of skill.

[webmiester]

This is a discussion board, not a debate board.

My view on debates is that they rarely bring out the truth, they only bring out who is the better debater, rarely what is really the truth. That's why in debate competitions, the sides of each team are chosen by flipping a coin.

Back to the topic: Does anyone know what issues were raised during the recent LPG convention?

[ghosthunter]

So, will you also start a thread for every gasoline engine that has exploded as well? I'm pretty certain the odds are higher with gasoline powered cars since there are so much out there... Innovas, Starex incidents ring a bell?

hehehe... how about for every Ferrari that catches fire? That should keep "CARBOMB" busy.

[theveed]

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