Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[rv]

Depending on your car dealer, they may have "certified" LPG kit installers that will not void the car's warranty. You might want to give them a call to check.

bro, 8th gen honda civic. di daw pwede

[carbomb]

I will only respect your opinion if your assumptions are correct. Since your donut analogy was flawed from the start, I cannot simply respect your opinion without correcting the flaw in the assumption. This goes irregardless with age, may you be younger or older than me.

I am not out to "win" here. I am here to give a correct interpretation of the facts.

so meaning wala kang respeto sa pananaw ng ibang tao? ganun ba yun ghosthunter? tama man o mali sa pananaw mo ang isang opinion ay kailangan mo pa rin itong irespeto para irespeto ka rin ng iba. try to respect the opinion of others para irespeto ka rin.
kaya nga in my own interpretation eh kung di ako naniniwalang di ako, i repeat ako lang na di ako in favor na i convert car ko sa lpg. bakit di mo ba maintindihan yon ghosthunter? tignan mo na lang yung mga replies in this thread and you will see na all what im saying is just the effectiveness of lpg convertion sa kin alone. well, wala naman akong laban sa yo eh kaya this will be my last reply sa thread mo. isa lang masasabi ko pare, hindi lahat ng tama sa yo eh tama rin sa iba. God Bless

[ghosthunter]

so meaning wala kang respeto sa pananaw ng ibang tao? ganun ba yun ghosthunter? tama man o mali sa pananaw mo ang isang opinion ay kailangan mo pa rin itong irespeto para irespeto ka rin ng iba. try to respect the opinion of others para irespeto ka rin.

If we are doing a one-on-one discussion, I would probably let you have your own opinion with minimal comments from me. The difference with that kind of situation and here (tsikot.com forums) is that other people reading the posts will form their own concepts of that is correct & wrong from the posted messages.

From my point of view, I cannot let a flawed opinion to become a source of incorrect/inaccurate facts.

kaya nga in my own interpretation eh kung di ako naniniwalang di ako, i repeat ako lang na di ako in favor na i convert car ko sa lpg.

I am not forcing you to convert to LPG. What I have been doing is to provide the facts for you and other people like you to have an informed opinion of converting to LPG. Where in this thread did I force you to convert to LPG? I have already posted early in this thread and many times after that converting to LPG is only worthwhile if the car does a lot of kilometers during a given period.

bakit di mo ba maintindihan yon ghosthunter?

Maybe it is YOU who have a hard time to understand? Let me translate: "Hindi kita pinipilit mag-convert ang iyong sasakyan para gumamit ng LPG."

tignan mo na lang yung mga replies in this thread and you will see na all what im saying is just the effectiveness of lpg convertion sa kin alone.

Yet based on your posted data, you could achieve the ROI within one year. Of course you have your priorities and other consideration why you do not choose to convert your vehicle to LPG.

well, wala naman akong laban sa yo eh kaya this will be my last reply sa thread mo. isa lang masasabi ko pare, hindi lahat ng tama sa yo eh tama rin sa iba. God Bless

It greatly depends on the facts behind whatever is being discussed about.

[drooler]

I need your advice from you guys. I am planning to have my 1999 dodge grand caravan 2.4ltr 4cyl efi converted to lpg. What supplier/installer do you recommend? Of course, the ideal result would be same consumption, same power output, and the most reasonably priced source for the conversion. Your reco would be appreciated. Thanks.

[Chip]

fact > opinion

[ghosthunter]

I need your advice from you guys. I am planning to have my 1999 dodge grand caravan 2.4ltr 4cyl efi converted to lpg. What supplier/installer do you recommend? Of course, the ideal result would be same consumption, same power output, and the most reasonably priced source for the conversion. Your reco would be appreciated. Thanks.

If you are after the same power with LPG, you would probably require using a SGI type LPG kit. For a car with under 2.0L engine, the kit would be around P50K+ as compared to P28K for carb type kits. This pricing is based on my survey of the more reputable LPG installers in the metro area.

The lowest priced installer is NAIADSS. They have at least three installation sites which are located:
1. Pioneer St, (somewhat near Robinson's Pioneer) Mandaluyong City (main site)
2. EDSA, near Taft Ave, Pasay City
3. Buendia near Filmore St, Makati City (small site)

I suggest you visit them so see if they can convert your van and also for the actual pricing as well. Typical problems would be space for the kit in the engine bay. You can try asking for a discount, you can get P1K off the advertised price.

[Mazinger Z]

Hi, newbie here.

Is there any other way to mount an LPG tank into your car aside from the trunk? I have an audio setup and my subs already take the inner part of my trunk, so am wondering if there are other options?

[ghosthunter]

Is there any other way to mount an LPG tank into your car aside from the trunk? I have an audio setup and my subs already take the inner part of my trunk, so am wondering if there are other options?

In some other installations, I have seen "donut" tanks which are placed where spare tire would be located.

An alternative is to fore-go the sealed box subwoofers and go free-air subwoofer setup and use a smaller LPG tank.

[ssalonga]

Gud day gentlemen,

please check out this latest development in LPG tank technology which is currently undergoing ASME certification in NZ, Canada and US. These are made of aluminum and are better shaped to take the place of the usual gasoline tank!

http://www.propaneperformance.com/do...s/Brochure.pdf

a quick email to the company yielded the following information:

-[quote]-

Thank you for your enquiry for our Flat Propane Tanks.

Firstly I would like to introduce our USA agent, Sheri Vanhooser who is CC’s into this email.

She is available as a contact to purchase our tanks on sheridrv*juno.com

Prices for the tank size you requested are as follows:-


CT228-6-641 – 19 gallons usable = US$371.78

CT305-7-641 – 29 gallons usable = US$461.52


Model CT228-6-641 -
9 inch (228mm) high tank, 6 cell 29 inches 737mm) wide x 25.25inches (641mm) long.
Capacity: 19 US gallons (usable)


CT305-
12 inches (305mm) high x 34.5 inches (876mm) wide x same length 25.25” (641mm) long
Capacity: 29 US Gallons (usable)



These prices are delivered, and is the introductory price for the US market.

Our tanks will be available just after the Christmas / new year period.


Kind regards

Guy Obren

Propane Performance Industries


-[end quote]-

cheers,

steve

[ssalonga]

Just to show you how far the US has gone Propane crazy, check out this blogsite:

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/31/s...e-by-mothers/2


And this company has designed a generic propane vapor injection system for 4 cylinder engines.......good for DIY and custom installations!

http://autoparts.rasoenterprises.com...roducts_id=137

enjoy!




steve

[webmiester]

I need your advice from you guys. I am planning to have my 1999 dodge grand caravan 2.4ltr 4cyl efi converted to lpg. What supplier/installer do you recommend? Of course, the ideal result would be same consumption, same power output, and the most reasonably priced source for the conversion. Your reco would be appreciated. Thanks.

Hi, you'll need to use an SGI system. Try to find a converter near your place as you'll need to make adjustments frequently. Where are you from may I ask?

[webmiester]

Gud day gentlemen,

please check out this latest development in LPG tank technology which is currently undergoing ASME certification in NZ, Canada and US. These are made of aluminum and are better shaped to take the place of the usual gasoline tank!

http://www.propaneperformance.com/do...s/Brochure.pdf

cheers,

steve

Wow steve, ang ganda ng mga bagong tanks! Kaso this will also mean that the car will no longer run on gasoline, pure LPG na lang because the gas tank will be removed....

Unless... We have a separate cylindrical tank for gasoline sa Trunk! Yeah! That sounds like a cool idea. LPG under the chassis, and gasoline in the trunk Binaliktad lang natin sila

[ssalonga]

Yep, exactly what I had in mind. A five-gallon jug with an electric fuel pump inside would take up very little trunk space and have enough mileage to an autogas station. All items available at any surplus shop or ebay.

[ssalonga]

Dear Web & Ghost,

I thought this simple calculator would be helpful to explain the economic advantage of Autogas in Manila, and put an end to that recent flame.

This calculation is based on actual results with my 1999 Kia Pride GTX, manual trans.

Distance driven on a tank of gas 600 km/trip
Litres used on trip 60 litres/trip
Annual vehicle distance 30000 km/year
Propane economy as % of gasoline economy 75.00% conservative estimate
Price of gasoline 45 P/litre
Price of propane 27 P/litre
Cost to drive trip distance on gasoline P 2700/trip
Estimated litres of propane used on same trip 80 litres/trip
Cost to drive trip distance on propane P 2160/trip
Fuel Savings per km P 0.90/km
Annual Savings P 27,000 P/year
Cost to convert vehicle P 23,000
Payback 0.851852 years

[ghosthunter]

Yep, exactly what I had in mind. A five-gallon jug with an electric fuel pump inside would take up very little trunk space and have enough mileage to an autogas station. All items available at any surplus shop or ebay.

why even risk using a five gallon jug?... You can always use a small racing fuel cell. Readily available plus its crash rated not to rupture.

[webmiester]

Dear Web & Ghost,

Distance driven on a tank of gas 600 km/trip
Litres used on trip 60 litres/trip
Annual vehicle distance 30000 km/year
Propane economy as % of gasoline economy 75.00% conservative estimate
Price of gasoline 45 P/litre
Price of propane 27 P/litre
Cost to drive trip distance on gasoline P 2700/trip
Estimated litres of propane used on same trip 80 litres/trip
Cost to drive trip distance on propane P 2160/trip
Fuel Savings per km P 0.90/km
Annual Savings P 27,000 P/year
Cost to convert vehicle P 23,000
Payback 0.851852 years

Thanks Steve... again its the "Annual Vehicle Distance" which is in contention. If the guy uses his car for like 100km/year, then it might not be worth it.

What is 30000km a year like anyway? If I make like 500km in 3 weeks, what will be my yearly distance?

[userfriendly]

Thanks Steve... again its the "Annual Vehicle Distance" which is in contention. If the guy uses his car for like 100km/year, then it might not be worth it.

What is 30000km a year like anyway? If I make like 500km in 3 weeks, what will be my yearly distance?

500 km/3 weeks = 167 km/week * 52 weeks/ year = 8684 km/ year

[ssalonga]

Thanks Steve... again its the "Annual Vehicle Distance" which is in contention. If the guy uses his car for like 100km/year, then it might not be worth it.

What is 30000km a year like anyway? If I make like 500km in 3 weeks, what will be my yearly distance?

Web, I figured my own mileage was about 100km/day average, 300 days of the year. My actual experience is very close to that every year. I live in Valley Golf and work in Pasig, my wife in Mandaluyong and I regularly use the car to get to appointments during the day, thus 100 day.

I have always believed that converting to propane is not for everyone.
To many people doing something that 98% of the people do not do, is reason enough, not to do it, any economy considerations be damned.

I was a great believer in diesel engine technology using vegetable oil fuel, as it was originally designed, but to this day many people still consider a diesel engined luxury car an oxymoron!

My point in posting my own cost-benefit statement is to show that to some of us it does make a lot of sense. If I drove only 8k kms/yr I'd buy that 1987 500SEL selling for 170T in todays Bulletin classifieds. But driving as much as I do, I'm happy with my KIA.

There will be moments this winter, when LPG will be in greater demand due to heating requirements in the temperate zones and will rise more aggressively than gasoline - but if you annualize the price cycle it probably evens out and will still reflect substantial saving for me.

On the other hand, many of today's car owners don't really care whether they save or not, they just keep ordering those new V6 and V8's. Makes you wonder?

steve

[ssalonga]

Thanks Steve... again its the "Annual Vehicle Distance" which is in contention. If the guy uses his car for like 100km/year, then it might not be worth it.

What is 30000km a year like anyway? If I make like 500km in 3 weeks, what will be my yearly distance?

why even risk using a five gallon jug?... You can always use a small racing fuel cell. Readily available plus its crash rated not to rupture.

interesting ghost! I have no experience with these - how much fuel can it store? And where do I find surplus or used ones?

[ghosthunter]

interesting ghost! I have no experience with these - how much fuel can it store? And where do I find surplus or used ones?

Although I haven't really checked where to buy these locally, you can start with some of the tuner shops.

Here's a few websites where they sell/feature fuel cells:
http://wescoperformance.stores.yahoo...racecells.html
http://wescoperformance.stores.yahoo.net/ecfuelcel.html
http://www.atlinc.com/US/racing.html
http://www.amfuel.com/index_start.htm