Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[ssalonga]

Sa narinig ko before in one news program, the system mixes lpg with diesel at 30% LPG with 70% diesel. Kaso lang the conversion costs P70k.

Total has also started converting tricycles, which I've always known is possible. Just check out the tuk-tuks of thailand

The GM website in Thailand announced the availability of the 2007 Tahoe Diesel V8 with LPG-Diesel mix. The diesel engine uses 80% diesel and 20% LPG simultaneously to experience an overall savings in diesel consumption. Apparently the ECU allows LPG to increase the "octane" rating of the diesel during cruise and acceleration modes. Diesel only when starting and idling. The overall consumption would be the aggregate consumption of both fuels. Maliit lang daw ung LPG tank. This car carries full warranty from GM Thailand. The advantage primarily is lower emissions (below Euro3 standards) without further expensive retooling of engine (no need for CRDi) and even greater fuel economy.

Re: tricycles. The Indian manufacturers have come over and are convincing local governments to require two-strokes primarily, to convert to LPG to reduce smoke emissions. If you remember we outlawed two-stroke because of emissions issues.

Four strokes are also encouraged to convert as well to reduce cost of fuel and increase take home for drivers. The kit is presently retailing at 12T pesos. Puerto Princesa City already has 50 tricycles running on autogas but access to fuel seems to be the limiting factor in the provinces at the moment. The City government has subsidized the cost of conversion which the tricycle driver/operator pays back over the next 12-16 months, I think.

Our neighboring municipality, Taytay, is mulling over the conversion of two-stroke local trikes right now.....Total has promised to put up a new LPG station on Ortigas Ave if Taytay converts!

FYI,

steve

[webmiester]

Re: tricycles. The Indian manufacturers have come over and are convincing local governments to require two-strokes primarily, to convert to LPG to reduce smoke emissions. If you remember we outlawed two-stroke because of emissions issues.

Will the lpg conversion of 2-stroke engines reduce hydrocarbon emissions? I like 2-stroke engines pa naman, they have better hatak than 4-stroke engines as I was told.

There is a device which is promoted by one of the environmental groups which burns over 90% of the excess hydrocarbons of 2-stroke engines, making the engines' emissions almost like 4-stroke engines. With this device, 2-stroke engines might not need to be banned anymore. Maybe converting to LPG + this device will be a good combination

[ssalonga]

There is a device which is promoted by one of the environmental groups which burns over 90% of the excess hydrocarbons of 2-stroke engines, making the engines' emissions almost like 4-stroke engines. With this device, 2-stroke engines might not need to be banned anymore. Maybe converting to LPG + this device will be a good combination

web, I haven't heard of such a device. I would be interested to know more about that......

The combustion of LPG does not generate greenhouse gases, esp. no CO, low NOx, and low CO2. The addition of 2T oil-lubrication in the combustion chamber in two-strokes becomes unnecessary since LPG has no solvent effect in the combustion chamber and that removes the source of smoke-emission.

LPG 2 strokes rock! the higher octane and better ignition turns in more power and torque, all other things being equal.

cheers!

[webmiester]

web, I haven't heard of such a device. I would be interested to know more about that......

The combustion of LPG does not generate greenhouse gases, esp. no CO, low NOx, and low CO2. The addition of 2T oil-lubrication in the combustion chamber in two-strokes becomes unnecessary since LPG has no solvent effect in the combustion chamber and that removes the source of smoke-emission.

I only heard the news sa radio so I dont have details about it either...

Isnt LPG a greenhouse gas by itself? If the 2 stroke engines dont have complete combustion, then even without the CO, it would "produce" a lot of greenhouse gases by releasing unburnt LPG

[ssalonga]

I only heard the news sa radio so I dont have details about it either...

Isnt LPG a greenhouse gas by itself? If the 2 stroke engines dont have complete combustion, then even without the CO, it would "produce" a lot of greenhouse gases by releasing unburnt LPG

Greenhouse gases are the residue of gases and particulates that result from the compression and ignition of a charge of air and petrolin the combustion chamber.

Compared to petrol the residue from LPG combustion is significantly less in all aspects. The incomplete combustion in 2 strokes (due to absence of valves in the combustion chamber) is significantly less with LPG since it ignites hotter and quicker than a vaporized liquid like petrol and and results in less incompletely burned gases at the tailpipe.

I have seen 2 stroke LPG bikes and i can tell you that there is no smoke and no acrid residues from unburned gases from LPG. The power and torque is also greater at all RPM's.

cheers!

[webmiester]

Greenhouse gases are the residue of gases and particulates that result from the compression and ignition of a charge of air and petrolin the combustion chamber.

Compared to petrol the residue from LPG combustion is significantly less in all aspects. The incomplete combustion in 2 strokes (due to absence of valves in the combustion chamber) is significantly less with LPG since it ignites hotter and quicker than a vaporized liquid like petrol and and results in less incompletely burned gases at the tailpipe.

I have seen 2 stroke LPG bikes and i can tell you that there is no smoke and no acrid residues from unburned gases from LPG. The power and torque is also greater at all RPM's.

cheers!

Cool! I hope they lift the ban on 2 stroke engines and allow them to run on LPG Masmaganda sa mga paakyat ang 2 stroke, plus masmura pa yung oil nila

[webmiester]

Ive finally converted my car to LPG

I installed an Aldessa SGI system. Ang ganda ng ride, di ko nararamdaman yung shifting from gas to lpg. Im a little disappointed though na ang laki ng kinain sa trunk ng 60L tank

Also, when I got the car, my radio wasnt working anymore. It appears someone tried to turn the radio on and wasnt able to guess the security code I placed

But anyway, the ride is good, but they tell me I might need some tuning after around 3 full tanks, para we can get optimum results.

Il post pics as soon as I get them

[ssalonga]

Ive finally converted my car to LPG

I installed an Aldessa SGI system. Ang ganda ng ride, di ko nararamdaman yung shifting from gas to lpg. Im a little disappointed though na ang laki ng kinain sa trunk ng 60L tank

Also, when I got the car, my radio wasnt working anymore. It appears someone tried to turn the radio on and wasnt able to guess the security code I placed

But anyway, the ride is good, but they tell me I might need some tuning after around 3 full tanks, para we can get optimum results.

Il post pics as soon as I get them

Congrats Web! You finally took the plunge! You wont regret it.....can't wait for the pictures.


steve

[userfriendly]

How much did the Aldesa kit cost you? What car?

[paolorenzo]

Ive finally converted my car to LPG

I installed an Aldessa SGI system.

Congrats! Kaka-inggit naman. Did you get it from Green Auto Gas at Ortigas Home Depot? Feedback naman service, and workmanship. Oo nga, what car, and how much did the conversion cost you?

I just came back from Jinsoku in CRaymundo Pasig (official installer of Macro). They will only install the SGI kit on my Revo daw (Landirenzo kit). Quoted price was 55k. Installation will take a whole day, and will require them to drill on the manifold, for the injectors. Was observing an ongoing installation on an XTrail (owned by the Macro owner), and mukhang ok naman yung quality nung kit.

Might inspect the Aldessa kits (Turkish made) later this week...

[webmiester]

How much did the Aldesa kit cost you? What car?

It cost me about P47,500. Its actually P50,000 minus 5% kasi cash basis. They also had to drill holes on my manifold.

Malinis naman workmanship nila, but Im a little bit disappointed kasi their 67 liter tank ate up a big chunk of my trunk. We measured the 60L tank and it appears that the fit would have been much better. They are willing to replace it as soon as I consume my tank of LPG. I remember ang pinagusapan namin was the 60L tank, pero ang ininstall was the 67L one.

Ive seen 3 technicians so far. The eldest one seems very knowledgable and seems to care a lot about the client. When the other 2 told me na hindi na pwedeng gawin iyon (like cut the plywood which used to cover the spare tire), he instead volunteered to do it for me without me even asking. He was concerned about my schedule and was the only one who addressed me as "Doctor"

Also, he was the one who informed me that a 60L tank was available and questioned the other technician bakit 67L yung ininstall. He went on to measure the trunk and explained that it would have fit much better with it.

Madali naman kausap si Sharon (the owner) as she said they'll replace the tank as soon as I finish my lpg.

Im honestly disappointed by the fact that they destroyed my radio set. The technicians tell me that it became like that when they plugged the battery back. But both the manual and the mitsubishi service people tell me that it appears someone tampered with its security code The savings I'll get will go to a new Head Unit pa tuloy Sharon referred me to her friend in Mitsubishi who was the one who agreed with my diagnosis. I dont know if she will be willing to share the cost of repairing/replacing it. Her actions regarding this will tell me a little bit more about their customer care.

Pero otherwise, madali naman silang kausap. Also, their electronic switch to select LPG-Gas had a slight defect (nasira 1 LED) which appeared after 1 day. They replaced it naman kaagad As of the moment, my car will still need to undergo tuning sa kanila.

One problem I had was that yesterday, the car smelled like gas after it was parked for a long time, and during traffic going to Cubao. I brought it to them this afternoon. The younger technician immediately looked for a leak and found none. He then searched the engine compartment and told me that I need to ask my aircon service technician to seal off the space surrounding one of the aircon's pipes leading to the cabin. When the older technician saw this, he told the younger one to seal it off himself using something in their shop. He also went around the trunk, removed the spare tire, and found a hole in the bottom of my trunk whose rubber seal was missing. In theory, fumes from the car and other cars would enter the hole and make the car smell like gas. The problem didnt appear before because I had a huge piece of plywood covering the spare tire and everything under it (including the hole). When the tank was installed, the plywood was removed. Anyway, the older technician, then made his own seal for it, out of rubber matting and sealed it himself by buying rugby.

I was expecting more out of their service honestly, but they have that personalized feel which I like with some small shops. However, they are quite young. Sharon is quite ***y and looks around 25 years old. Except for that older technician, the other 2 dont seem to have so much experience. Of course normal yan sa LPG industry kasi medyo bago pa lang sa market lahat ng kits, pero its the way they handle the problem which makes it look like they are inexperienced.

One of the problems I see is that Sharon is not always in her shop and her shop is closed on Saturday and Sundays. Its hard to catch her shop open when we are free, and the work of her employees are not always supervised (kaya nga nasira radio ko ). They will transfer to Mindanao Ave. soon daw, with a large lpg filling station in their name. I must commend her though for being such a young enterpreneur. The aldessa kits really do look good. The molding of their metal parts, for instance, is really nice as compared to some of the other kits Ive seen. The pipings and plastic parts look much better than some of the other brands. I hope that Sharon's small shop continues to grow in experience and I guess my car will be one those they will gain more experience from.

Im waiting for Sharon to send me the pics of my car so I can post them here

[ghosthunter]

I am more interested in pics of "Sharon" at this point. :naughty2:

[paolorenzo]

Thanks Doc Web. Nice review of Green Auto Gas and their services.

I am more interested in pics of "Sharon" at this point. :naughty2:

[chuaed]

I am more interested in pics of "Sharon" at this point. :naughty2:

why just ask for her picture, you can visit her office anytime... kaya nila mag upgrade ng lpg kits from venturi to SGI. pagkatapos direcho kay BigBerts, pa detail car mo...

[webmiester]

Actually pinapawash nila yung car kay Big Bert's before releasing it. Kaya mine was really clean

BTW, Sharon's agreed to share in the expense of the repair of my radio I used the term "share" not "shoulder" cause I dont know how much of it she will pay for.

[webmiester]

why just ask for her picture, you can visit her office anytime... kaya nila mag upgrade ng lpg kits from venturi to SGI. pagkatapos direcho kay BigBerts, pa detail car mo...

I actually inquired about upgrading from Venturi to SGI. I was told practically only the tank can be reused, kaya the expense is almost like buying a new one.

I think it'l be better to just sell the whole venturi kit then purchase a new SGI one. Someone did that sa thread na ito, kaso naka 50 pages na tayo kaya hirap hanapin...

[webmiester]

thanks webmeister!

I'm still in search of parts for my DIY installation-- will try to keep everyone informed as we find more and more independent dealers and installers.....

abangan!

Hey Steve,

I was cleaning my room and I stumbled upon the brochure of FSC Metal, yung manufacturer ng LPG tanks for cars. This might interest you:

FSC Metal Corporation (Kaya FMC abbreviation written on their tanks)
Riverside St., Barangay Ugong,
Valenzuela City, Philippines

Tel: (02) 432-0167; (02) 4320168; (02) 4431996; (02) 7227927; (02) 4487305
email: fsc*fmcmetal.com

Hope this helps

[ssalonga]

Web,

thank you very much! That is most providential as I am planning to remove the petrol tank in my KIA Pride as soon as I can. The fuel pump died of a perforated diaphragm and leaked fuel all over the intake manifold. I believe this is because of the pump hammering on a closed float valve. Since I hadn't used petrol over the last 6 months the smell of stale gasoline cooking over a hot manifold was like old varnish!

Plan to now remove all gasoline fittings and go dedicated propane for safety's sake. Simply closing the gasoline supply to carburator is obviously not the wise thing to do. I suppose a by-pass and a return line would be safer but would mean that all that energy would be wasted since I never use gasoline anymore.

I will call FMC and see if they can custom-build a tank that will fit where the gasoline tank used to be.....

naku delay na naman ung install nung mercedes....dipa pala tapos si KIA.....

thanks for the address Web, will keep you updated.

steve

[Bry]

Hello all.

I'm fairly new to the taxi business and I'm having Macro LPG install their kits on ten (10) of my units. Eight (8) are Corolla XLs and two (2) are Sentra GXs.

They quoted me 25K a piece for the Corollas, and 55K for the Sentras. A little expensive, but at least they gave me twelve (12) months to pay with ZERO interest. (Are these prices reasonable? Parang ang mahal kasi nung sa Sentra)


Anyway, is it true that it is not advisable for those who are using the Macro kit to fill up in other LPG stations? They advised me to tell my drivers na NEVER daw magkakarga sa NAIADSS, and as much as possible dapat sa Macro lang. Is this true or gimmick lang nila?

I'm having the kits installed first thing tomorrow morning, is there anything else I should know before I push through with the install?

I'm sorry I don't have the time to read the whole thread, pardon me if this question has already been answered. Thanks in advance.

[chuaed]

sa nissan sentra siguro naka SGI kaya ganyan kamahal ang price, tapos iyun sa corolla mo carb type... mas mura kasi pag carb type...

with regards sa sinabi nila na whag mag karga ng Naiadss, tanong mo sana kung bakit? ano dahilan?