Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[ssalonga]

Ghosthunter! Checking in....

UPDATE
Name: the_greencar_ project
1999 KIA Pride GTX 1300cc
Mileage 50,980 km
NAIDS standard mixer system installed Mar 22, 2007

Last march I was ecstatic at the performance of autogas compared to petrol. The idling was smoother, the torque at low revs incredible and the full throttle performance a bit less than that. But the economy was great -- I was saving 1-1,500 a week for a 50% improvement in my Php/km cost of mobility.

Its June now, and after a lot of tinkering with my ignition timing and tuning the regulator (marunong na ako - nagsawa na sa akin yung mga taga naiads!) I now have it tuned the way I like it. Strong and nimble! The Ignition timing has been increased about 5 degrees more at static, and lighter centrifugal springs brings full advance to another 25 degrees at around 3,500 rpm. It now runs like a little austin mini all the way to 6,000 rpm!

I found the weight of the tank in the had altered the handling capabilities of the Pride, the tail wallowing in the undulations of Ortigas Ext. and the turn-in, which was not good at stock anyway, was awkward. After a search, I found Kayaba Excel G gas shocks for the rear which has produced a really firm ride, although non-LPG prides report that the same gas shock are extremely hard for comfort. I guess the extra weight of the tank balanced the gas shock perfectly.

My economy has suffered a bit from all this performance tuning but I can still get 350-380 kms when I reload, usually at 18% or just before it begins to register 0 on the digital display- so I'm perfectly happy!

I am now mapping-out an installation for my sons 1985 Mercedes 200 gas Type W123, which I plan to install with a stand-alone LPG vapor fuel injection system with Lambda feedback installed. I will start another thread on that when the parts arrive.

As I had expected, LPG autogas has proven better than expected in all its aspects. No exceptions, a real no-brainer right?

steve

[ssalonga]

Ghosthunter! Checking in....

UPDATE
Name: the_greencar_ project
http://lh5.google.com/image/ssalonga...JPG?imgmax=512
Mileage 50,980 km
NAIDS standard mixer system installed Mar 22, 2007

Last march I was ecstatic at the performance of autogas compared to petrol. The idling was smoother, the torque at low revs incredible and the full throttle performance a bit less than that. But the economy was great -- I was saving 1-1,500 a week for a 100% improvement in my Php/km cost of mobility.

Its june now, and after a lot of tinkering with my ignition timing and tuning the regulator (marunong na ako - nagsawa na sa akin yung mga tga naiads!) I now have it tuned the way I like it. Strong and nimble! The Ignition timing has been advanced an additional 5 degrees at static, and lighter centrifugal springs gives full advance to about +25 degrees at around 3,000 rpm. It now runs like a little austin mini!

I found the weight of the tank had altered the handling capabilities of the Pride, which was not good at stock anyway. So I found Kayaba Excel G gas shocks for the rear which has given a really firm ride, although non-LPG Prides report that the gas shock are extremely hard for comfort. I guess the extra weight balanced the gas shock perfectly.

My economy has suffered a bit from all this performance tuning but I can still get 300-350 kms average from a full 60-liter tank- so I'm perfectly happy!

I am now mapping out a strategy for my son's 1985 Mercedes 200 petrol Type W123, which I plan to install with a stand-alone LPG vapor fuel injection system with Lambda feedback installed. I will start another thread on that when the parts arrive.

As I thought, LPG has proven better than I expected, in all aspects. A real no-brainer right?

steve

[ghosthunter]

hi ghost hunter, just use your gasoline also para hindi mag stuck up ang fuel pump mo ako i made the mistake of using LPG all the time medyo na stuck up sya so walang fuel coming out of thefuel pump so i have to replace it . pina tignan ko na kanina sa NAIADSS.

typically I start the car using gasoline and switch over right away to LPG. I also tend to use gasoline probably once every week or once every 2 weeks on very short trips simply to get the gasoline flowing through the pump.

[chuaed]

hello ghosthunter and specially topgun, long time no hear atty....

with regards to my car, pms 40,000 kilometers, recently PMS at chevy Pasig, replace change oil (Mobil 5w30), replaced oil, air, fuel, pollen filter. replaced brake pads... afterward proceed to naiadss for adjustment...

car running smoothly, the only problem i have is the Check Engine Light, which i have the guys at Chevy Pasig diagnose and the finding was, PO268 - Injector 3 Control Circuit High Voltage... i have them reset, reprogram, but the light was still there...

[topgun]

hi there ED

i just replaced the fuel pump in my ride,

kasi hindi ko nagagamit ang gasoline eh, kaya ayun nasira,

hehe so right now what i do is i run the gasoline for at least a few kms

then switch to lpg ako just to exercise the system.


ed, kamusta na ang resale value ng chevy optra?

my brother just sold his year 2000 opel astra with only

60k on the odometer for only 200 k

considering bagong bago pa ito,

mahal lang mag maintain at kelangan sa kasa lahat ipagawa.

how abt the chevy optra? mahal din ba ang maintenance?

[hominid]

Ala po ba balak mag EB un mga LPG enthusiast dyan? Parang kaming mga nagbabalak eh me sneak preview muna. Pa test drive na rin, seriously, lol!

[ghosthunter]

Ala po ba balak mag EB un mga LPG enthusiast dyan? Parang kaming mga nagbabalak eh me sneak preview muna. Pa test drive na rin, seriously, lol!

sorry, wala naka-plan.

[ssalonga]

sorry, wala naka-plan.

Ako di pa nka EB with other Autogas enthusiasts. I would be glad to allow road test of my vehicle and explain the installation! Pero siyempre -bahala si Ghost.....

cheers,


steve

[chuaed]

hello Sir TopGun,

okay pa rin naman iyun Chevy Optra ko, nakakatipid din ako sa cost of fuel. as for the resale value i honestly have no idea... with regards to your brother's opel astra, na phase out na kasi ng General Motors Ph. iyan brand and model, sayang maganda pa naman kotse iyan... with regards to parts, i think may available pa iyan sa Thunder which i can say is a lot cheaper compared to casa... doon na rin ako bumibili ng parts ko para sa Optra... and when it comes to service, direcho nalang sa servitec shaw para cheaper ang labor...

[chuaed]

Ala po ba balak mag EB un mga LPG enthusiast dyan? Parang kaming mga nagbabalak eh me sneak preview muna. Pa test drive na rin, seriously, lol!

dapat, manufacturer, installer, dealer, reseller ng AutoLPG appliance mag held ng exhibit to promote their product and provide their own vehicle installed with the said appliance to be tested and driven by the general public.

hello Tartarini, Macro, Naiadss, etc...

as for me, and also for the rest of the people here i can say that majority are very busy with work and stuff... and i'm sorry i don't let other people drive my car...

[hominid]

I would be glad to allow road test of my vehicle and explain the installation!

Aba, ayus! San po loc nila?

[ssalonga]

Aba, ayus! San po loc nila?


hominid,

Nas cainta area lang kami, usually saturdays libre ako, just let me know kung kailan ka available.....

steve

[chuaa]

hi guys...would appreciate any feedback on the lpg conversion...am thinking of converting my camry to lpg...i heard that the actual consumption goes higher ...ie if i used to get 6/ltr...they say it will go down to around 4/ltr...so the cost savings will be off -set...

[ghosthunter]

hi guys...would appreciate any feedback on the lpg conversion...am thinking of converting my camry to lpg...i heard that the actual consumption goes higher ...ie if i used to get 6/ltr...they say it will go down to around 4/ltr...so the cost savings will be off -set...

The fuel consumption will increase. So if your original fuel millage is 8km/L, with LPG you would get around 7 or 7.5km/L assuming the same vehicle and same driver.

And the LPG kits you get for your car can make different results in fuel millage. The carb type kits that are commonly used with taxi cabs are sensitive to condition of the air filter and even atmospheric pressure. You can also adjust the kit's fuel rate so it can give your engine it's optimum fuel economy.

The more advanced (and more expensive) SGI kits (sequential gas injection) can equal or exceed the fuel economy you get when using gasoline. This kit seems to be recommended for newer cars especially for engines with plastic air intakes.

example:
Carb type LPG for EFI: P27K
SGI type LPG: P52K

[chuaa]

The fuel consumption will increase. So if your original fuel millage is 8km/L, with LPG you would get around 7 or 7.5km/L assuming the same vehicle and same driver.

And the LPG kits you get for your car can make different results in fuel millage. The carb type kits that are commonly used with taxi cabs are sensitive to condition of the air filter and even atmospheric pressure. You can also adjust the kit's fuel rate so it can give your engine it's optimum fuel economy.

The more advanced (and more expensive) SGI kits (sequential gas injection) can equal or exceed the fuel economy you get when using gasoline. This kit seems to be recommended for newer cars especially for engines with plastic air intakes.

example:
Carb type LPG for EFI: P27K
SGI type LPG: P52K

wow...52k cash out seems abit heavy...assuming i get to save 1k a week...that means i'll breakeven after a yr...is this worth it?

anyway, thanks for the info...will think about it first...btw...the SGI is that the italian made already or it that the korean made....whats the diff between the italian brand and the korean brand? based on my canvas...the italian brand is double the price of the korean brand....

[ghosthunter]

wow...52k cash out seems abit heavy...assuming i get to save 1k a week...that means i'll breakeven after a yr...is this worth it?

If you do break-even in a year, it is worth the price of the SGI kit.

anyway, thanks for the info...will think about it first...btw...the SGI is that the italian made already or it that the korean made....whats the diff between the italian brand and the korean brand? based on my canvas...the italian brand is double the price of the korean brand....

There are italian and korean made SGI kits. As for the actual pricing, you will have to do your own foot work.

[ghosthunter]

I just wanted to post... I drove my Corolla to Baguio and back over the weekend. I had both my LPG and gasoline fuel tanks filled. When I got back to Manila, my odometer was reading over 650 kilometers. I did over 400km on LPG (started with 83% tank capacity) and the rest on gasoline (gasoline gauge was reading a touch over half remaining). The LPG tank wasn't dry-empty but the meter was reading zero for over 15 minutes before I switched over to gasoline.

While in Baguio, I was running on gasoline because the thinner air resulted in one very under powered Corolla which was able to so slowly around but it was inefficient on the fuel used.

The portion of the trip to baguio was mainly done in rain but I was still able to maintain a speed of between 100 to 125 kph along the expressway. If I maintained a lower speed (like 90kph) all the way, I might have achieved better fuel millage but I was trying to cut the travel time. Manila to Baguio in five hours. Baguio to Manila in four hours.

[hector angel]

mga sir, may gumagamit ba sa inyo dito ng made in turkey lpg kits? mas mura kasi by 10k compared to tartarini and marini..... i believe i need to do a convertion asap as i am now spending 15k/month for my gasoline

[ghosthunter]

mga sir, may gumagamit ba sa inyo dito ng made in turkey lpg kits? mas mura kasi by 10k compared to tartarini and marini..... i believe i need to do a convertion asap as i am now spending 15k/month for my gasoline

which company is selling the Turkey made LPG kits?

[chuaed]

pwede kaya upgrade from carb type to sgi???