Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[topgun]

siguro lampas na sa akin dahil morethan 350 - 400 km per week takbo ko...

parehas tayo hahah mga 300 plus ako per week

btw ed how many kms per full tank ang kaya itakbo mo?

ako i can go for 300 km on 42 liters of LPG so mga 7km per liter ang fuel consumption ko mixed city and high way driving

[chuaed]

parehas tayo hahah mga 300 plus ako per week

btw ed how many kms per full tank ang kaya itakbo mo?

ako i can go for 300 km on 42 liters of LPG so mga 7km per liter ang fuel consumption ko mixed city and high way driving

hey, long time no hear... busy busy kasi ikaw palagi

buti ka pa nakakareach ka ng 7km/L... sa akin pag relax ang driving eh 6 km/L more or less.... pero madalas humahataw, nagmamadali, and traffic kaya less than talaga as in... (for city driving)

funny thing, last week dinala ko sa naiadss, para adjust para makatipid... pero wala rin nangyari, worse eh naging hard start na siya pag malamig ang engine, unlike before one click start kaagad...

[jon778]

Mga darb meron ba brand new na auto lpg na agad ang gatong? Ty

[Asus700]

time will tell kung walang long term damaged na maidudulot ang lpg sa engine, even a properly tuned one.

[ghosthunter]

time will tell kung walang long term damaged na maidudulot ang lpg sa engine, even a properly tuned one.

The same technology is being used in other countries like UK, Italy, Turkey, India, Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, etc. without problems.

[ghosthunter]

Auto LPG tank surviving intact after a car fire.

[jon778]

Mukha wala pa brand new na auto na LPG agad ang fuel tsk.

Meron naman kaya na used cars na LPG converted na ang fuel? ty

[ghosthunter]

Mukha wala pa brand new na auto na LPG agad ang fuel tsk.

Meron naman kaya na used cars na LPG converted na ang fuel? ty

You can have a LPG system fitted into certain Toyota and Nissan cars and still keep the factory warranty. You can inquire from your Toyota & Nissan dealers.

[boydapa]

afg598


What's really the difference between the italian EFI kits and the korean EFI kits aside from the price?

are there really differences in performance, workmanship, efficiency?
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mamili ka hyundai o ferrari? hehe joke!

[jon778]

You can have a LPG system fitted into certain Toyota and Nissan cars and still keep the factory warranty. You can inquire from your Toyota & Nissan dealers.

Thanks for the info

[ssalonga]

Gud pm! newbie here. Just came for the autogas talk since i'm a newbie there too. My 1999 KIA Pride GTX was converted by NAIADS last March. It has been all that I hoped it would be.

Am particularly impressed by low-end torque, smooth and quiet operation, clean engine and exhaust, clean oil and power.

am also more aware of limitations and imperfections of the "conversion" process being at best a bi-fuel compromise.

I think autogas is ideal green fuel but I think we have to use an "autogas engine" to get the most out of it.

Hope to hear more about your experiences driving on gas!

Cheers!

[Asus700]

The same technology is being used in other countries like UK, Italy, Turkey, India, Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, etc. without problems.

even a converted unit?... it will be nice if someone can show the condition of the cylinder after 50,000 kms. yun ang common problems na naririnig ko, but they say it happens because it was badly tuned. well....

[Asus700]

gas price increase by a peso, lpg .50 centavo lang, haay

[dencio1976]

im new here and would just like to share what i know or rather experienced with the LPG conversion kit. im a taxi operator with my dad and mostly use the Macro LPG conversion kit. (italy brand)

as compared to the naiadss lpg kit, i find that it's harder to maintain rather than using the macro lpg kit. however, both are fuel cost efficient.

a typical taxi driver would drive around 400kms per day and would usually consume P1.2k worth of LPG. around the time when we last used gasoline price was about P44/L for premium and most drivers would atleast consume about P1.8-2K/day.

so it was a big difference for the drivers since they'd save about 600/day. that almost concluded to be what is advantageous for taxi operators like me since taxi drivers would come applying to you becoz you use LPG.

then came the maintainance. running your car on LPG especially on this hot summer was unspeakable. im only speaking for taxis btw. a lot of operators and machine shop owners know of the hazards a lpg does to your engine.

compared with gasoline, when gasoline evaporates on your hand, u'd feel there is lubricant left. whereas with the lpg, after it evaporates, it's almost gone completely aside from the smell. having that in mind, the lpg wasnt intended for your gasoline engine (having said that there is no/not enough (if any) lubricant in the lpg). which i think would result in higher temps. im not entirely accurate about why it has higher temp but that was just a theory i came up with. but that's definitely what i came across having a LPG conversion kit on the taxis.

since private cars run typically less than 150kms, i guess it's ok. but that's up for you to decide. personally, i dont like the idea of a tank in my trunk and the idea that its not engine friendly. it's not a perfect conversion. im hopeful that a better conversion kit will come up.

[jvm13]

anyone here have info on converting a benz to lpg? we're really planning to convert our 89 mb 260e.baka may kakilala kayo na nagconvert and where the best shop for conversion is..thanks..

[ssalonga]

anyone here have info on converting a benz to lpg? we're really planning to convert our 89 mb 260e.baka may kakilala kayo na nagconvert and where the best shop for conversion is..thanks..

Hi! I am about to begin a DIY conversion of a Type W123 200 gas. I have done the initial research and have consulted several other threads and it seems there are many successful conversions in Germany, US, Australia and Italy! The most popular system seems to be made by BRC:

http://www.brc.it/default.aspx?page=19&lang=en

here are a few INFORMATIVE websites:

http://www.lpgautogas.com.au/index.cfm?Action=Convert

http://www.lpg-kits.com/

http://fuelsforum.rasoenterprises.com/

This one below is especially informative for the DIY'er who wants to understand the basics of alternative automotive fuels:

http://www.wps.com/LPG/LPG-book-final.html

Cheers!

[ssalonga]

im only speaking for taxis btw. a lot of operators and machine shop owners know of the hazards a lpg does to your engine.

....personally, i dont like the idea of a tank in my trunk and the idea that its not engine friendly. it's not a perfect conversion. im hopeful that a better conversion kit will come up.

Ei! Dencio! thanks for your insight from the taxi operators point of view...though I believe your overheating problems are less LPG-related than it is the usually inadequate vehicle maintenance of local taxis fleets (though I noticed D'Avis seems better maintained than most.)

If you check out all the links I sent in a previous post you will find that LPG is particularly "engine-friendly" though I don't believe it will improve a poorly maintained or defective engine!

check out this latest from Roush Racing in the US!

http://propanetruck.us/index.php

Keep on trucking!

[ghosthunter]

then came the maintainance. running your car on LPG especially on this hot summer was unspeakable. im only speaking for taxis btw. a lot of operators and machine shop owners know of the hazards a lpg does to your engine.

maybe you can mention some of those hazards? The summer in Australia is even hotter than here, reaching over 40C, yet, its fine to use LPG powered vehicles there. Some are even fitted straight from the factory to run on LPG.

compared with gasoline, when gasoline evaporates on your hand, u'd feel there is lubricant left. whereas with the lpg, after it evaporates, it's almost gone completely aside from the smell. having that in mind, the lpg wasnt intended for your gasoline engine (having said that there is no/not enough (if any) lubricant in the lpg). which i think would result in higher temps. im not entirely accurate about why it has higher temp but that was just a theory i came up with. but that's definitely what i came across having a LPG conversion kit on the taxis.

Gasoline burns hotter than LPG. That is the reason why an engine running on LPG is cooler than when it is running on gasoline.

Also, engine lubrication for a four stroke engine, comes from the motor oil, not from the fuel.

since private cars run typically less than 150kms, i guess it's ok. but that's up for you to decide. personally, i dont like the idea of a tank in my trunk and the idea that its not engine friendly. it's not a perfect conversion. im hopeful that a better conversion kit will come up.

The best conversions for LPG would require a higher compression ratio and adjusted (more advanced) ignition timing. But that would mean the engine will NOT run on gasoline anymore. Given we don't have an extensive number of Auto-LPG filling stations yet, a LPG dedicated car is not yet practical.

In the end, its still your personal choice if you want to save some money in the long run with Auto-LPG or staying with your belief that gasoline is better even if you have to pay a third more for the same liter of fuel.

Myself and a few other guys here have converted our rides to LPG and we all haven't encountered problems beyond basic engine maintenance issues.

[jvm13]

Hi! I am about to begin a DIY conversion of a Type W123 200 gas. I have done the initial research and have consulted several other threads and it seems there are many successful conversions in Germany, US, Australia and Italy! The most popular system seems to be made by BRC:

http://www.brc.it/default.aspx?page=19&lang=en

here are a few INFORMATIVE websites:

http://www.lpgautogas.com.au/index.cfm?Action=Convert

http://www.lpg-kits.com/

http://fuelsforum.rasoenterprises.com/

This one below is especially informative for the DIY'er who wants to understand the basics of alternative automotive fuels:

http://www.wps.com/LPG/LPG-book-final.html

Cheers!

thanks for the info and links! i'm not really a DIY guy, so i'll have to look for good companies na nagcoconvert.. mahirap kasi sa naiadss, di daw sila sanay sa benz conversion.. so if ever may iba pa dyan na companies that are familiar with conversion sa benz, pls let me know! thanks!

[dencio1976]

what i gave was input from my end. im not to discourage private car users using lpg kit conversion. like i said, taxis drive on an average of 400kms a day. private cars probably less than a hundred. this leads me to conclude that it almost wont affect the private cars the way it does taxis in general.

and i would have to agree that it's not all the lpg's doing that it overheats. it also depends on the driver and maintainance. i was simply saying that it does more than having gasoline on a gasoline intended engine.

im not saying anything bad about the lpg itself. after all its much safer to the environment. also that there are cars that run on lpg out of the factory. which are great. also that they(Macro) have this new type of lpg kit that has a control unit that comes along with it for fuel injected vehicles. more expensive than your regular kit however more effective. but with the tank still in the trunk, id still want an lpg car with an engine intended for lpg. im not too sure but japan uses lpg cars. that may be the typical lpg car that id want instead.

hazards are all typically overheating related. from hardened oil seals, blown head gaskets to busted engine parts like the exhaust valves even. never had a busted cylinder head thou but i hear there's a case like that.

id have to agree that d'avis is one of the best maintained taxis along with toyota alabang. but even their maintainance department would have to agree.

heck even guys from macro agrees with me. im not too sure with the naiadss guys thou.

why not have inputs from d'avis? try your research with them. and prove me wrong after.