Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[eikichi]

They are correct in saying that you should get the largest tank you can put in without sacrificing trunk space that you need. In my case, I put in a 40L (smallest among the choices) donut tank in my Corolla (lovelife) since this is the only size that can fit in. But I was really opting for the 60L tank. Too bad though the bigger ones cannot fit my spare tire well.

Does the vaporizer need to be overhauled regularly (like yearly or so)? According to the technician at Clean Fuel where I fill up, this should be done annually. He advised me this when he noticed during tune up that the rpm adjustment no longer affects the way my engine runs during idling and suggested an overhaul.

[n5110]

i also feel that the vaporizer needs to be service annually, because over period of usage the lpg settings change and re tune up does not work anymore since some parts inside the vaporizer tends to bend etc. I have encountered this before thats why after my last vaporizer overhaul i never touch the settings. more than a year na since my last PM.

i need to an engine +LPG tune soon because my engine sometimes dies when idling in LPG.

[ghosthunter]

They are correct in saying that you should get the largest tank you can put in without sacrificing trunk space that you need. In my case, I put in a 40L (smallest among the choices) donut tank in my Corolla (lovelife) since this is the only size that can fit in. But I was really opting for the 60L tank. Too bad though the bigger ones cannot fit my spare tire well.

In my lovelife corolla, I used the 60L cylinder type tank. My spare still stays in my spare tire well. Trunk space has been reduced by over half though. But still enough space for a week or two of grocery shopping.

Does the vaporizer need to be overhauled regularly (like yearly or so)? According to the technician at Clean Fuel where I fill up, this should be done annually. He advised me this when he noticed during tune up that the rpm adjustment no longer affects the way my engine runs during idling and suggested an overhaul.

From what I have gathered, it depends on the vaporizer & frequency of use. Mine has never been overhauled since it was installed. I just have it drained of water once a year.

[glennjv]

guys i have a Mazda 3 1.6 that's been running on LPG for almost 3 years now.
Installed by Greenfuel.
My first problem was that the water tubing connected to the vaporizer was rubbing on metal parts so after of more than a year and 1/2 of use the tubing punctured so I was losing my coolant very fast. Wouldn't last 1-2 hour trip. That big of a hole.

I had it changed by Greenfuel (but the new mechanics since the old ones aren't there anymore) He doubled the tubing such that the outer tubing protected the inner one from rubbing with the metal. Solved my problem with water loss.

Now i'm losing water again but this time it'll last 5 days before it empties the reservoir.

I had a change oil today and we can't see where the water is coming from.
there's traces on the plastic bottom cover but we can't find where its coming from even when they pulled the plastic bottom cover.

I can't think of anything that's causing it.

Would it be possible water is escaping inside the VAPORIZER on the LPG line?

[marcusl]

Hello Marcus,
I asked my contacts regarding stations in Bataan. There are actually 2 stations there. These are the addresses both are LIQUIGAZ
- 366 Bantayan street san isidro mariveles
- General services compound, Balanga city govt motorpool (I don't know if this is for public.
Hope this helps you decide on converting!=)
Happy filling!

Thanks for this! Will check out the one in Balanga on my next trip. I think this is open to the public as I remember Balanga was in the news last year offering incentives to tricycles to convert to LPG. Makes sense the city gov't will offer Liquigaz their property to set up an LPG station.

As for tank capacity, my say is to go for the largest tank that can fit in your car and still maintain some practical space. I use a 60L cylinder tank in my trunk (Altis) and i still have space for most weekend trips. Should i have extra long vacations, i have a roof carrier with a Thule baggage box (or i just use the family van/SUV) :D

Agree! I went to Greenfuel yesterday and looks like I can fit a 55L donut tank. The gas prices now are making it an easy decision to convert.

[vinj]

guys i have a Mazda 3 1.6 that's been running on LPG for almost 3 years now.
Installed by Greenfuel.
My first problem was that the water tubing connected to the vaporizer was rubbing on metal parts so after of more than a year and 1/2 of use the tubing punctured so I was losing my coolant very fast. Wouldn't last 1-2 hour trip. That big of a hole.

I had it changed by Greenfuel (but the new mechanics since the old ones aren't there anymore) He doubled the tubing such that the outer tubing protected the inner one from rubbing with the metal. Solved my problem with water loss.

Now i'm losing water again but this time it'll last 5 days before it empties the reservoir.

I had a change oil today and we can't see where the water is coming from.
there's traces on the plastic bottom cover but we can't find where its coming from even when they pulled the plastic bottom cover.

I can't think of anything that's causing it.

Would it be possible water is escaping inside the VAPORIZER on the LPG line?

Have you done a pressure test on your cooling system? Has your radiator cap ever been changed?

I had a water/coolant loss problem last year but it was due to my vaporizer getting busted. Symptom was it was spewing out my coolant through the reservoir (so my reservoir would overflow while my radiator would empty out). After changing and relocating my vaporizer, all is back to normal.

[pen_Quin6138]

Hi All,

I did the backreading and man the thread is very informative and has reached lengths I had to ask my share of questions.

Interested akong ipaconvert KIA Rio 2010 ko to LPG. Ask ko lang sana kung may mga nakatry na rito. Malapit samin Xoom Autogas tapat ng SM Fairview.

Around how much kaya aabutin ng kit?
What kit would be best for my car?
And mavovoid kaya warranty?

Odometer is at 24,000 Kms na.

I already sent Xoom an e-mail, waiting for their reply pero I would just ask here just in case. Alam ko marami ng taxi fleets na KIA Rio na nakaLPG.

Thanks in advance!

[Mile2]

Hi All,

I did the backreading and man the thread is very informative and has reached lengths I had to ask my share of questions.

Interested akong ipaconvert KIA Rio 2010 ko to LPG. Ask ko lang sana kung may mga nakatry na rito. Malapit samin Xoom Autogas tapat ng SM Fairview.

Around how much kaya aabutin ng kit?
What kit would be best for my car?
And mavovoid kaya warranty?

Odometer is at 24,000 Kms na.

I already sent Xoom an e-mail, waiting for their reply pero I would just ask here just in case. Alam ko marami ng taxi fleets na KIA Rio na nakaLPG.

Thanks in advance!

Madalas akong nagpapakarga sa XOOM SM Fairview, better call them or you drop by sa station, madalas doon si Mike lalo na sa gabi around 7PM onwards pag nakita mo doon yun green/black sport looking car sa kanya yon. Mas maganda makausap mo siya ng personal para sa mga questions mo.

Mine was done by GreenFuel sa Mandaluyong and for your KIA Rio it would be SGI kit that would cost you around P40K.

[pen_Quin6138]

Thanks for the reply!

I got a reply directly from Xoom from Sir Nick Go and the whole package is 39k daw. I'll be waiting for my funds by end of May and hopefully mapaconvert ko na.

[zed2d]

I would just like to share my Wagon R+ Turbo converted to lpg last year using econogas VOGAS plus kit.


Currently consuming 1 liter per 12.7 kilometers. 1:12 for short. Using Shell Helix ultra 5w-30 oil, Bosch Platinum Ir Sparkplugs, and Petronas LPG fuel and Shell V-power.

[jovmats]

Bike mike or ghosthunter need your help. Saan nga pala naka-attach yung tube from the pressure stabilizer? I had my CRV 2nd gen installed by greenfuel way back May 2008. Baka eto yun dahilan bakit hirap when using the LPG.

[nemo]

Hi, I'm currently contemplating selling my 1987 Pajero Diesel and getting a car. I miss the comfort of the car as the old pajero is a bit harsh.. and very slow. Since gas prices are extremely high I was playing with the idea of getting a AE101 GLi or even an XE and converting it to LPG. What do you think? I have never driven a Corolla with LPG, let alone any other LPG powered vehicle.

[ghosthunter]

Hi, I'm currently contemplating selling my 1987 Pajero Diesel and getting a car. I miss the comfort of the car as the old pajero is a bit harsh.. and very slow. Since gas prices are extremely high I was playing with the idea of getting a AE101 GLi or even an XE and converting it to LPG. What do you think? I have never driven a Corolla with LPG, let alone any other LPG powered vehicle.

Corolla Ae101 is a common car converted to Auto-LPG. You shouldn't have problems.

Driving an Auto-LPG fueled car is the same with gasoline fueled car. You just fuel up at a different fuel pump. You just need to decide what kind of fuel tank and what size. Type of tank is the cylinder or the donut style tank. Donut tank will fit into the spare tire area which can give you a big trunk to carry large items if you need to. A cylinder tank will go into the trunk area but will reduce your useful trunk space.

Just make sure everything in your car is working 100% fine before you convert to Auto-LPG. Especially the engine because if there is anything wrong, it might cause problems with auto-lpg.

Example: radiator (overheat) or ignition/idling problems.

[nemo]

*ghosthunter: thank you for the info. i remember reading on the archived thread of this, that there will be a reduction in FC by about 10%? so if i get usually 8km/l city driving it will hold true that under LPG power it'll go down to around 7km/l?

I'm planning on selling my Pajero then purchasing either a Corolla GLi or XE, or a Sentra Series 3 (96 and up) EX saloon. I'm leaning more towards the sentra since it is more within the budget.

Who are the recommended installers? I don't mind going out of my area (Pasig) to have an LPG kit installed.

[marz]

Sir Mile anong LPG kit nakakabit sa innova mo? Plano ko rin kasi pakabitan innova ko. TIA

[ghosthunter]

*ghosthunter: thank you for the info. i remember reading on the archived thread of this, that there will be a reduction in FC by about 10%? so if i get usually 8km/l city driving it will hold true that under LPG power it'll go down to around 7km/l?

Typically 5 to 10 percent reduction of fuel mileage on LPG as compared to gasoline.

This is due to LPG's slightly lower energy value per liter as well as slight inefficiency of using engines designed to use gasoline to run on LPG. A bit of adjustment/tuning can improve the LPG fuel mileage but it will compromise the way your engine will run on gasoline.

Anyway, if you have done enough back reading, the most important way is the ignition timing. With LPG you can advance it a lot more. But if you switch to gasoline, it will cause the engine to knock.

In my experience, the engine's stock setting is good enough.

I'm planning on selling my Pajero then purchasing either a Corolla GLi or XE, or a Sentra Series 3 (96 and up) EX saloon. I'm leaning more towards the sentra since it is more within the budget.

You might also want to check out the Sentra N16 model. My brother has one also running on Auto-LPG. It's the Sentra model Nissan Phil has been selling since 2002 until now.

LINK: http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51318

Who are the recommended installers? I don't mind going out of my area (Pasig) to have an LPG kit installed.

Currently I would suggest XOOM Auto-LPG (Timog in QC). It is a refilling station as well as an auto-lpg installation shop. Just mention to Nick that "ghosthunter" recommended you.

Contact info: Nick Go
Mobile Landline: (02)5067734

Reason why not others?

NAIADSS seems to have gone out of business. They used to have a station and install shop at Pioneer St in Mandaluyong but it's not there anymore (site under construction, dunno what is being built there).

As for GREENFUEL, I have no contact with them in months. I don't know their current financial status but since their business is only in the auto-lpg installation, the "dry-spell" in between 2008 and 2010 kinda was hard on business.

You can still try contacting GREENFUEL as their contact info in the list should still be working.

[nemo]

N16 would be a decent choice but concerning budget i'm more inclined to get a series 3, either super saloon or EX-saloon. Does the EX-saloon have better FC compared to the super saloon?

[ghosthunter]

N16 would be a decent choice but concerning budget i'm more inclined to get a series 3, either super saloon or EX-saloon. Does the EX-saloon have better FC compared to the super saloon?

Depends on whom to talk to. Some say the 1.4L is better while others prefer the 1.6L

Personally it would depend how much loaded your car would be. If it's just mostly yourself most of the time, I would say the 1.4L would be better.

If you tend to often have more people riding with you, the 1.6L is better.

[Louga]

hello po, anyone experience cold start rpm issue when using lpg?

issue: during cold start yun rpm ko will shoot to 1500 (normal) but suddenly will drop to 900 then after about 10-15secs will gradually goes up to 1300-1500 (normal warm up rpm for cold start) then will gradually goes down na (kasi umiinit na un engine). yun issue is the sudden drop to 900 kahit malamig pa engine kaya parang tunog palyado yun makina. i believe the proper warm up rpm on cold startup is shoot to 1300-1500 then gradually goes down to normal idle.

scenario:
1. use lpg for several days (warm up lng un gasoline) - cold start rpm issue happens.
2. use gasoline exclusively for a day or 2 - cold start rpm goes back to normal even if you use lpg for couple of days (after the exclusive gasoline run)
3. went to baguio and use lpg all thru out except on the "city driving" on baguio - issue never happens pag start ko the following day.

i haven't experience/feel any unusual sa takbo ng makina both on gas and lpg. engine runs smooth. kahit patakbuhin ko siya na andon pa sa state ng mababa un rpm niya (900 but engine is still cold) ok man siya. hindi siya un namamatay or parang mamatay.

my unit is innova 2009 sgi from greenfuel converted feb 2010 and currently runs 2200km on lpg. current odo is 22+k. yun fuel filter ko hindi pa napapalitan (i know 40k ata bago palitan ito). pinalinisan ko lang sa shell station. air filter, spark plug kakapalit pa lng non 20k pms. pinasilip ko sa kasa sabi ok man daw ecu ko. wala man daw fault na nakita.

ano kaya issue nito? may long term effect ba ito sa engine ko or hayaan ko na lng since pag gas mode hindi siya nag occur?

sorry masyado mahaba paliwanag. TIA

[Louga]

hello po, anyone experience cold start rpm issue when using lpg?

issue: during cold start yun rpm ko will shoot to 1500 (normal) but suddenly will drop to 900 then after about 10-15secs will gradually goes up to 1300-1500 (normal warm up rpm for cold start) then will gradually goes down na (kasi umiinit na un engine). yun issue is the sudden drop to 900 kahit malamig pa engine kaya parang tunog palyado yun makina. i believe the proper warm up rpm on cold startup is shoot to 1300-1500 then gradually goes down to normal idle.

scenario:
1. use lpg for several days (warm up lng un gasoline) - cold start rpm issue happens.
2. use gasoline exclusively for a day or 2 - cold start rpm goes back to normal even if you use lpg for couple of days (after the exclusive gasoline run)
3. went to baguio and use lpg all thru out except on the "city driving" on baguio - issue never happens pag start ko the following day.

i haven't experience/feel any unusual sa takbo ng makina both on gas and lpg. engine runs smooth. kahit patakbuhin ko siya na andon pa sa state ng mababa un rpm niya (900 but engine is still cold) ok man siya. hindi siya un namamatay or parang mamatay.

my unit is innova 2009 sgi from greenfuel converted feb 2010 and currently runs 2200km on lpg. current odo is 22+k. yun fuel filter ko hindi pa napapalitan (i know 40k ata bago palitan ito). pinalinisan ko lang sa shell station. air filter, spark plug kakapalit pa lng non 20k pms. pinasilip ko sa kasa sabi ok man daw ecu ko. wala man daw fault na nakita.

ano kaya issue nito? may long term effect ba ito sa engine ko or hayaan ko na lng since pag gas mode hindi siya nag occur?

sorry masyado mahaba paliwanag. TIA

correction: feb 2011 pala yun conversion not 2010