Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[Mile2]

pag nag b blink na isang LED na lang naka reserve na lang ata yun less than 10 liters na lang siguro yung

Warning for low fuel na yan. You will also hear mild beep every 5 minutes.

For mine, kabisado ko na. I still could run around 140Km pag nag-start na magblink ang last light. Anyway I always have Petrol as backup.

You can get used to it after several refills

[paolorenzo]

Warning for low fuel na yan. You will also hear mild beep every 5 minutes.

For mine, kabisado ko na. I still could run around 140Km pag nag-start na magblink ang last light. Anyway I always have Petrol as backup.

You can get used to it after several refills

140kms with the last light blinking?!

You got a SGI kit from GreenFuel? I think it's in the programming. In your case, it probably blinks too early. With 140kms, parang half-tank pa yan.

Sa akin mga 220kms ang 47 liters. So pag-nag-blink na, I wouldn't want to drive it for more than 20kms. Pero di pa naman ako nauubusan ng LPG. The EROOM switch as 5 LED lights - red "E", 3 green, and another green "F". Yung red "E" (empty) LED yung nag-b-blink after a while. I have the standard 66-liter cylidrical tank, 50 liters ang max na na-load ko so far.

[ghosthunter]

In my system, I can still drive for roughly 50km before I feel the engine start NOT to respond to the accelerator.

[1997]

Mine kasi hindi nag blink and walang beep sound... Madali kasi maubos yung mga green lights so I decided to empty my tank just to see what will happen...

Regarding po sa fueling station... Last friday night nag pa refill ako sa gas station in shaw blvd... Im using toroidal tank which is 40L capacity and 80% of which is 32L only... But to my amaze 39.70 Litter ang nakarga... tama kaya toh or may daya yung LPG station na yun?

[ghosthunter]

Mine kasi hindi nag blink and walang beep sound... Madali kasi maubos yung mga green lights so I decided to empty my tank just to see what will happen...

Regarding po sa fueling station... Last friday night nag pa refill ako sa gas station in shaw blvd... Im using toroidal tank which is 40L capacity and 80% of which is 32L only... But to my amaze 39.70 Litter ang nakarga... tama kaya toh or may daya yung LPG station na yun?

Well, there is that possibility (where did you refill)?. Or your tank's actual capacity rating might be bigger than 40L... maybe 45L? You can check on the specifications plate (if it has one)... at least cylinder tanks have spec plates.

[paolorenzo]

Re: AUTO-LPG USERS ROLL-CALL: post it here
45. 1997 (brother ko) - 1996 space Wagon (Green fuel Emulator close loop)

I didn't realize GreenFuel already offered closed loop mixer-type kits? I hope someone can verify, and provide more details (e.g. price)?

[Mile2]

140kms with the last light blinking?!

You got a SGI kit from GreenFuel? I think it's in the programming. In your case, it probably blinks too early. With 140kms, parang half-tank pa yan.

Sa akin mga 220kms ang 47 liters. So pag-nag-blink na, I wouldn't want to drive it for more than 20kms. Pero di pa naman ako nauubusan ng LPG. The EROOM switch as 5 LED lights - red "E", 3 green, and another green "F". Yung red "E" (empty) LED yung nag-b-blink after a while. I have the standard 66-liter cylidrical tank, 50 liters ang max na na-load ko so far.

That's correct, it is still half tank. I have it confirmed last time when I do refill.

I have it reprogrammed couple of times but still could not have it perfectly done. It may be due to my toroidal tank orientation that is not standard pointing 6 o' clock. Mine is somewhat oriented at 5 o' clock getting the orientation from my fabricated rigid tank cage/support bolted on the chassis.

[straker]

From Paulorenzo's mail....
"According to Denso, the auto-switch function will do 2 things:
- start the car with petrol (tried and tested)
- automatically switch to petrol, when LPG is empty (never tried this - I always fill up when the red "E" light starts flashing)

EROOM user here. Very satisfied customer."

That feature is what I want.

Niky, do I presume correctly that Speedlab with tune only the LPG side of the system?

[niky]

Speedlab can tune anything they have a controller for. But if you don't have a performance chip (the Unichip they sell there, E-manage, haltech, hondata, whatever), they'll only tune the LPG.

[v22]

anybody here have flash lube installed in their system? Do those SGI systems automatically introduce gas from time to time to lube the valves?

[niky]

anybody here have flash lube installed in their system? Do those SGI systems automatically introduce gas from time to time to lube the valves?

Nope.

Note that flash lube is being sold both for LPG and for cars that require leaded gasoline. The last cars that actually required leaded gasoline to work properly were built between 1986 and 1988. Most post-1990 cars should run properly without additional valve lubrication.

You can start and stop your car on gasoline if it worries you. While some people overseas have had problems with valve seat recession, it's highly dependent on the vehicle. Most vehicles are supposed to have hardened valves nowadays, as a requirement for using unleaded gasoline (which is also bad for unhardened valves in older engines), and should suffer no problems with LPG.

That's should. Obviously, some people have had problems with LPG conversions, while others haven't. Most word-of-mouth problems I've found online are from people working with older kits on old-design engines or older engine designs. The big problem is, with LPG, you're running the car on a fuel it wasn't programmed for in the first place. LPG runs fine on the ignition timing used for gasoline, and LPG kits control their own fueling, but LPG burns leaner and hotter than gasoline.

Now running lean is not good for your engine. It's because you run lean that you run hot. If your kit is programmed or set up to run lean, then your engine will run hotter. If your engine runs hotter, things wear out quickly... like valve seats. This will happen whether you're running LPG, gasoline or alcohol.

The answer, obviously, is to not run hot. Use better coolant, synthetic oil, and colder spark plugs to bring temperatures down. If your engine is a newer one that can advance ignition to take advantage of the extra octane, that extra ignition advance will help the car run cooler. And make sure your installer knows what he's doing. If they make your kit run too lean just for that little bit of extra savings in fuel, that could be all she wrote for your engine.

If you're really worried about LPG's effects on your car in the long term, then get the more expensive SGI kits. With more precise fuel metering and the capability for fine-tuning, they should technically be better for your cylinder head than the Venturi kits. If that doesn't reassure you, then you might want to wait for the upcoming liquid injection kits, which should run exactly as well as gasoline... or most likely, better, since they have the same cooling charge as liquid gasoline, and the high-octane advantage of LPG.

[bigMIKE]

I didn't realize GreenFuel already offered closed loop mixer-type kits? I hope someone can verify, and provide more details (e.g. price)?

We do not offer close loop mixer type system. However we can have cars without oxygen sensor fine tuned with Speedlab for fine tuning. We have actually installed several vehicles with SGI kits even without oxygen sensor.

By the way have you actually seen the oxygen sensor that was installed in your vehicle?

[paolorenzo]

By the way have you actually seen the oxygen sensor that was installed in your vehicle?

I saw it before it was installed, but not since then. Why do you ask sir Mike? Are you starting to install them as well?

[1997]

I didn't realize GreenFuel already offered closed loop mixer-type kits? I hope someone can verify, and provide more details (e.g. price)?

sorry open pala

[Carlos Lasa Jr]

I would like to ask Ghosthunter about the performance of the Expedition (Gen 1) after LPG conversion. Is it possible to install SGI kit on a 2000 Expedition XLT Limited?

[ghosthunter]

I would like to ask Ghosthunter about the performance of the Expedition (Gen 1) after LPG conversion.

Well, The XP is really my brother's and the last time I drove it was when I was taking it from Greenfuel to my brother's place. Switching between petrol and lpg, I couldn't feel any difference. The only problem I found was the switch over itself, if I didn't hold the engine to a certain RPM, the engine stalls.

Is it possible to install SGI kit on a 2000 Expedition XLT Limited?

Possible. Best to call up your prefered LPG kit installer.

Personally, keeping an XP, even switching to LPG, isn't going to save you much money. Also the XP's air-ride suspension will one day fail (especially when you aren't running it often) and fixing it will cost you over P100K. So unless you really really really need an XP, it might be best to sell it off and replace it with a smaller vehicle and convert that to LPG.

[bigfootoz]

Good Day Sir GH and sa lahat ng mga brothers...

Sir juut liek to inform everybody that we can now successfully install MB124 untis. or the 230E, 260E Benz. Also with the close loop system.

Had already installed 2 units and is running well...

Thanks sa lahat...


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[BlueVespa]

After going through this whole thread for the past couple of months, I finally decided to have my ride converted. I had it done last week at Green Gas c/o Sharon. My ride is a 01 CR-V A/T.

Installation of the SGI system was very clean. Will try to post pics soon. My only lament is that we could not fit a toroidal tank under the picnic table. Had to go with a 40L cylindrical tank. Will just have a box built.

No discernible difference between petrol and gas although I think there seems to be a slight power loss since the up-shifts are occurring at a slightly higher RPM.

Will post FC figures after several full tanks.

[chinacrisis]

I've decided to have my 1997 Honda City Exi converted, but I'm still deciding between an SGI kit or a Venturi/Mixer type. I can afford the SGI kit, I'm just wondering whether the price difference is worth it. I understand that SGI provides better power and FC. Are there any other advantages provided by the SGI kit?

[ghosthunter]

After going through this whole thread for the past couple of months, I finally decided to have my ride converted. I had it done last week at Green Gas c/o Sharon. My ride is a 01 CR-V A/T.

Installation of the SGI system was very clean. Will try to post pics soon. My only lament is that we could not fit a toroidal tank under the picnic table. Had to go with a 40L cylindrical tank. Will just have a box built.

GREENFUEL does a little modification to the sheet metal so you can fit in the 40L or 45L donut tank in the 1st gen CRV.