Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[Djerms]

Hey BigMike, When are you sponsoring the LPG CLub EB? Hehehe.

Mukhang naaadik nako sa LPG, kanina nung nagpetrol ako, nababagalan nako sa petrol...hehehe.

[Djerms]

Hey BigMike, When are you sponsoring the LPG CLub EB? Hehehe.

Mukhang naaadik nako sa LPG, kanina nung nagpetrol ako, nababagalan nako sa petrol...hehehe.

[ghosthunter]

directions please to go to greenfuel in mandaluyong thanks

company: GREENFUEL
contact person: Michael "Mike" Lim
telephone: 535-90-80
mobile number: 0922-823-1270
address: 413 R. Pascual St, (Pioneer Compound) near corner to Nueve de Pebrero St, Mandaluyong City.

(kinda hard to find without help. Give Mike a call if you plan to visit)

email: info*greenfuel.com.ph
website: www.greenfuel.com.ph



Other installers can be found here:
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50159

[ghosthunter]

Fleet nga GH, so all your cars except the corolla were done by Greenfuel?

yup..

Is there a big difference between a kit from Italy and Turkey?

Price.

[chuaa]

Chuaa: Do you drain your tank fully? How many liters before you did the measurement?

I've yet to achieve my best FC but last time nag improve na siya by .8km/liter. I went back to Greenfuel to have my car checked and they said that its running good.

filled up when my tank was at 25% left...total mileage was 165...30 ltrs (automatic stop ... no flow)...so thats 165/30...5.5...now assuming that there were instances when i shifted to gas (just to test the diff in power) and of course the car starts the engine on gas..then switches to lpg upon hitting 2k rpm...we take out 5kms from my total trip ... thats still around 160/30 or around 5.3...which again is still within my usual consumption on gas...

so all in all...am so far not disappointed..(i was expecting it to drop to 4!!!)...just the same, will continue monitoring..after all, its only my first fill up...lest wait for some more...to get an average reading..

[leatherman]

DTI News
DTI urges vehicle owners to patronize accredited Auto LPG shops
23 June 2008

To date, there are 10 Auto-LPG conversion companies in the country who have been issued PS licenses by the Department of Trade and Industry's Bureau of Product Standards (DTI-BPS), namely, Naiadss Corporation, Macro Liquid Petroleum Gas Co., Inc., Gasumi Marketing, Durasales Inc., Lovely Home Inc., Black Prince Communication Inc., Ferrotech Steel Corporation, Greengas Inc., Ambient Energy Enterprises Inc., and Thermoline LPG Conversion Works Inc.

Any reaction from installers who are active in this forum but are not in the list?

Not to put anyone on the spot. Just want to know why.

Are there unreasonable requirements from govt agencies? Issues with product/service standards? etc...

Autogas installation involves safety and property and should be closely regulated by the government.

Wondering why many installers operate without accreditation. Proficient or inept each may be.

[toho]

webmiester, is the frequent adjustments an important consideration? in your experience how often is this done? or initial setup lang?

am from sta rosa and so far no installers here in the south, i think. was considering greenfuel kaya lang baka madalas adjustments, hassle lang. the nearest would be stargas sa may NAIA, which is also the most expensive

also, has anybody converted an opel astra here
thanks

This is the primary reason why I have not converted yet. I want an installer who is near by in case of a back job/adjustment or anything that requires me to bring the car back to the installer.

Off course I have been told in this forum earlier that this is not the case. However from the experience of some who have converted, I think it is best to be prudent and have an installer who is just near your place.

[tanoshi]

Paolo,

Sorry bout that dude, my opinion is offensive.
Overkill indeed SGi to carb but there will always be some out of many for personal reasons.

regarding this:
[quote=leatherman;1103813]Any reaction from installers who are active in this forum but are not in the list?

Not to put anyone on the spot. Just want to know why.

Are there unreasonable requirements from govt agencies? Issues with product/service standards? etc...
quote]
I'm not an installer but backreading the thread you'll notice that one of the accredited or certified gives a crappy aftersales service, probably means their tank may be strong but the system sucks.

However, it would be nice for the leading contenders here that they'd get certified too, it would cost them money for such.

[bigMIKE]

We are recognized by the dti to install auto-lpg kits. We also got certified by DENR

[leatherman]

[quote=tanoshi;1103896]
regarding this:

Any reaction from installers who are active in this forum but are not in the list?

Not to put anyone on the spot. Just want to know why.

Are there unreasonable requirements from govt agencies? Issues with product/service standards? etc...
quote]
I'm not an installer but backreading the thread you'll notice that one of the accredited or certified gives a crappy aftersales service, probably means their tank may be strong but the system sucks.

As I said it's not about proficiency nor as you said "crappy"-ness.
It's not about how much money they need to get accredited.

It's about why they are not accredited.

Is it their choice or someone else's?

Are they too anti-establishment to bother about it?

Curious actually. Because I'm planning on a conversion any day now. Just want to get to know the industry a little bit more. That way I can blame no one but myself when something goes wrong after that plunge.

Humor me please. Thanks.

[leatherman]

We are recognized by the dti to install auto-lpg kits. We also got certified by DENR

There you go. Add GREENFUEL to that accredited installers list please.
Thanks bigMIKE

[paolorenzo]

Paolo,

Sorry bout that dude, my opinion is offensive.

No offense taken tanoshi. I just felt that you were eliminating some installers prematurely. Are you seriously considering conversion? What's your ride? Baka meron nang tried-and-tested installer for your car's make and model.

[Djerms]

Hey guys, I'm withdrawing from selling my sgi kit. Tried to explain to my uncle that we have to be as practical as possible so I have to turn down his offer (since an SUV is more expensive to own).

He understood and instead will sell his SUV and give me half of the proceeds...hehe. (parang donation).

I get to keep my cookin Altis...haha.

[ezem]

Yung rough idling nangyayari kapag full stop. Normal idle siya at 800rpm, then bigla bababa to 400-600, so biglang manginginig yung oto. Parang na-sinok o na-sakal ng sandali. On few occasions nga, mamamatayan ako. Bad trip lalo A/T, so I need to switch to N or P, para maka-restart. Hassle.

Baka-ibalik ko next week, just to increase the idling settings of LPG (mga +100-200 rpm). Sigurado tataas consumption, but hopefully will offset the rough idle.

* paolorenzo

kanina lang ako nagpunta sa EROOM for the CEL issues to be solved...ngayon ok na wala na yung CEL...nagdagdag ng isa pang emulator and eureka, wala na yung CEL hehehe ok na ok pa yung takbo...pero di sa Coolmate sa makati, dun ako nagpunta sa EROOM sa Highway54 (katapat ng megamall), katabi nila yung DTI ofc sa Highway54. Tumawag kasi ako this morning kay mike about dun nga sa CEL, sabi nya dun na lang ako sa Highway54 magpunta. Si David Do (Korean Rep./Engr of EROOM Korea) ang nag install hehehe the good thing about it is that it's free, yung emulator wala na akong binayaran considering na that is something extra added to the original kit na...and here's my gift for you bro , i've told him about your problem on your VX200, the rough idling and engine turning off at sudden stop, and he told me to tell you that you can visit him there at Highway54 anytime and he's more than willing to attend to your problem and eventually solving it. Here's his contact details nga pala for you to call first for appointment...

David Do
Eroom Phils. Inc.
Unit E, G/Flr Highway54 Plaza, 986 Stanford St. cor.
EDSA, Mandaluyong City
tel. nos.: 7062231 Fax: 7062232 Cel.: 09196834112

[wesrex315]

1. GhostHunter - 99 Corolla 1.6 A/T (venturi-mixer open-loop - NAIADSS)
2. kapitan88 - 2000 Lancer Glx (Carb - openloop)
3. Dococh - 2005 Escape 2.3 A/T
4. aar002 - 1999 Revo GLX 1.8 EFI A/T venturi type
5. 1997 - 1996 Nissan B14 A/t (Venturi-mixer close loop - eroom)
6. paolorenzo - 2003 Revo VX200 2.0 EFI A/T (EROOM kit)
7. chuaa - 2004 camry 2.4v (sgi greenfuel)
8. bigMIKe-2004 x-trail2.0 (sgi)
9. Djerms -2002 Corolla altis 1.6 AT (SGI GREENFUEL)

10. Wesrex315 - 2004 xtrail 2.0 (sgi greenfuel)

Hey paolorenzo, ive experienced tope/nginig ng makina lately from idle to start up. Namatayan ako. Last time ngkakaganyan kz i thought its because i switch my aircon on and off. I brought it to mike. Indi na nya muna kinalibrate but iwasan ko na lng i-on/off ang aircon.

Kya lng ganon pa din sya, my mga times na namamatayan ako specially from idle, naka neutral ako then switch to drive. Any luck with ur revo? I'll be bringing it back to mike for tuning.

[leatherman]

1. GhostHunter - 99 Corolla 1.6 A/T (venturi-mixer open-loop - NAIADSS)
2. kapitan88 - 2000 Lancer Glx (Carb - openloop)
3. Dococh - 2005 Escape 2.3 A/T
4. aar002 - 1999 Revo GLX 1.8 EFI A/T venturi type
5. 1997 - 1996 Nissan B14 A/t (Venturi-mixer close loop - eroom)
6. paolorenzo - 2003 Revo VX200 2.0 EFI A/T (EROOM kit)
7. chuaa - 2004 camry 2.4v (sgi greenfuel)
8. bigMIKe-2004 x-trail2.0 (sgi)
9. Djerms -2002 Corolla altis 1.6 AT (SGI GREENFUEL)
10. Mile2 - 2007 Innova 2.0 M/T (SGI GreenFuel)
11. ezem - 2002 Mitsubishi Adventure SuperSports 2.0 M/T (EROOM)

Sorry for being a party pooper. It's just that the last 3 posts simply added a name to the list-- and nothing about lpg conversion.

Isn't this thread about LPG conversion and how to distill info from experiences of installers and users?

What with the list?

paolorenzo is going through hell with his conversion.
Shouldn't every one be more concerned with finding solutions to his predicament?

I brought up accreditation issue. bigMIKE was the only one who responded.

Isn't the roll call exclusivist? I suggest creation of Club Lpg or LPG Club thread or whatever for this social exchanges.

108 pages. That's how far this thread has gone.

It has drawn interest. It has been relevant.

The public, like myself, was drawn to it because of the information it offered. Thus it's popularity.

Let's not allow this to be an LPG barkada hub nor a self-congratulatory portal.

Autogas conversion is still a long drive through a mine field.

Let's help each other through it.

It's ok to long for a pit stop to eyeball.

But hopefully in a thread dedicated for such-- not in this thread, okey? Thanks

[ezem]

toink...ang malas ko naman ako huling nag post nung list...kadadating ko lang and nag back read ako, parang roll call yata yan hehehe pero no worries, we're cool..

paolorenzo is going through hell with his conversion.
Shouldn't every one be more concerned with finding solutions to his predicament?

i've already posted something about paolorenzo's problem...it might help him with his ride's problem

Isn't this thread about LPG conversion and how to distill info from experiences of installers and users?

point taken...hehehe

I brought up accreditation issue. bigMIKE was the only one who responded.

about the accreditation...a while ago on my way home (about 9pm), while i was listening to 89.1, the DJs were discussing about the alternative fuel. They have a DTI representative discussing with them. The DTI representative have said that one of the reason why some (or most) of the LPG conversion companies are not accredited is that they are not complying to some of their (DTI's) conditions such as the tank should not be inside the passenger cabin (the tank of my LPG kit is at the back of my ride since my ride [mitsu adv] has no compartment), meaning if our ride has no compartment, the DTI is suggesting us to use our spare tire space and use the torroidal tank or put the tank on the car roof (now who would want their roof having an LPG tank?). And soon, the LTO will include the checking of LPG conversion upon registration renewal (ok lang pwede naman non-appearance hehehe). That's why they adviced the LPG kit users to ask for the xerox copy of the DTI accreditation of the LPG Conversion Company. About sa quality ng LPG kits, whether it is turkish, italian, korean, etc. the kits passed naman daw on their country's standard in which nauna sa atin magkaron ng standard and we (Philippiness) just adopted their stantards. And besides, that's international standard.

[ghosthunter]

AUTO-LPG roll-call moved to it's own thread:

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...=1#post1104003

[ghosthunter]

The DTI representative have said that one of the reason why some (or most) of the LPG conversion companies are not accredited is that they are not complying to some of their (DTI's) conditions such as the tank should not be inside the passenger cabin (the tank of my LPG kit is at the back of my ride since my ride [mitsu adv] has no compartment), meaning if our ride has no compartment, the DTI is suggesting us to use our spare tire space and use the torroidal tank or put the tank on the car roof (now who would want that?). And soon, the LTO will include the checking of LPG conversion upon registration renewal. That's why they adviced the LPG kit users to ask for the xerox copy of the DTI accreditation of the LPG Conversion Company.

The DTI should be aware that even the trunk of the car is still connected to the main cabin of a car via air vents through the deck under the rear window. And it is kinda stupid to recommend the tank to be installed on the roof a car where it is in a more dangerous position because the sheet metal there was never designed to carry a heavy mass, much less, designed to restrain a heavy mass in case of vehicular impact. The chassis is a better structure to install restraints to prevent the tank from moving in case of vehicular impact/collision.

As for the LTO implementing some sort of checking, it was a matter of time I guess but I wonder what would be the LTO criteria when checking LPG systems? Would it be as useless as checking for "early warning device"? Will they be looking for the certificate of installation from the installer?

Or is it a case of some DTI official shooting off his/her mouth like a big number of senators and congressmen?

[tanoshi]

No offense taken tanoshi. I just felt that you were eliminating some installers prematurely. Are you seriously considering conversion? What's your ride? Baka meron nang tried-and-tested installer for your car's make and model.

Alam kong uubrang kabitan yung ride ko kasi kamag anak yun ng 1.3CVT City ni GH, a 1.5CVT Jazz kaya swak na swak ang SGi pero 17 months under warranty pa sya. Laying all cards on the table, I'm contemplating to sell my dear Carb-type pristine conditioned 95' Charade & buy a 2nd hand car compatible for SGi kit.
I live in QC, was considering to visit the one in Mindanao Ave kasi mas malapit pero based sa nababasa ko dito eh parang mas gusto ko yung conversion shop sa Mandaluyong, not because the other was inferior, but because of testimonies here & our "LPG priest" had one or more of his ride converted there. :D