Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[devilfish]

Hi GH,

I just finished reading the whole thread today (took me 3 days whew!). I'm having my XP 2000 converted to LPG anytime this week but I havent decided which installer or which type. Had talked to SKN, Greenfuel and Greenautogas.

Hope you can help me in choosing what would best fit my need.
1. SKN GM Ravi told me that the best system for me is the emulator type which he quoted 65K since my engine is semi-carb and that it wont require drilling a hole in my manifold.
2. Lorna from greenfuel told me that the SGI system for 69K is more suited for my car since it is more efficient and would not require a lot of tuning and maintenace. (I was actually sold already to SGI specially if they give the toroidal tank for the same price)
3.But when I called Autogas they gave me a quotation of 45K for SGI but I was only able to talk to Tess not Sharon. (If the price is correct)

Hope you could help me. SGI or Emulator? if SGI assuming the price of Tess is correct, Autogas or Greenfuel?

Thanks in advance

[ghosthunter]

Hi GH,

I just finished reading the whole thread today (took me 3 days whew!). I'm having my XP 2000 converted to LPG anytime this week but I havent decided which installer or which type. Had talked to SKN, Greenfuel and Greenautogas.

Hope you can help me in choosing what would best fit my need.
1. SKN GM Ravi told me that the best system for me is the emulator type which he quoted 65K since my engine is semi-carb and that it wont require drilling a hole in my manifold.

It's the same guy who sold a 48K venturi-mixer w/ efi emulator system for a corolla. Frankly, It's over-priced for such a system.

2. Lorna from greenfuel told me that the SGI system for 69K is more suited for my car since it is more efficient and would not require a lot of tuning and maintenace. (I was actually sold already to SGI specially if they give the toroidal tank for the same price)

There was two XPs (1st gen) last week at Greenfuel being converted to LPG.
I was able to test drive the first one completed. The system works well enough but you will have to be careful during switch over from petrol to lpg because it's easy to stall the engine. Once running on LPG, its pretty smooth sailing.

3.But when I called Autogas they gave me a quotation of 45K for SGI but I was only able to talk to Tess not Sharon. (If the price is correct)

You might want to check the price since I think it's too low for an XP conversion. They might have given you the price for a typical conversion of a sedan.

[Djerms]

Just filled up a while ago...full tank at around 1200 petot of LPG for my altis. No problems whatsoever. Power is the same...and most importantly....

...Its cheap.

Installation by greenfuel.

[Mile2]

Just filled up a while ago...full tank at around 1200 petot of LPG for my altis. No problems whatsoever. Power is the same...and most importantly....

...Its cheap.

Installation by greenfuel.

Congrats

I got a wednesday schedule at GreenFuel for my Innova conversion.

[bigMIKE]

Just filled up a while ago...full tank at around 1200 petot of LPG for my altis. No problems whatsoever. Power is the same...and most importantly....

...Its cheap.

Installation by greenfuel.

Thanks for the acknowledgement. Hope you can post pics of your converted Altis.

[Djerms]

Will do Mike. Still have to take pics of the finished product.

Thanks for everything. Will be back for the plyboard.

[ghosthunter]

Nissan Cefiro A31 Auto-LPG conversion





I spotted this at GREENFUEL a few days ago.

[knicks1204]

nag-inquire po ako sa greenfuel, green autogas & eroom/denso para sa conversion ng Avanza, eto po yung mga nabanggit na prices... reasonable na po ba ito?

Greenfuel 60L Tank: 42,000Php (Cylindrical tank) 45,000Php (Donut tank)
Greeen Autogas 60L Tank: 40,000Php (Cylindrical tank) 45,000Php (Donut tank)
Eroom/Denso 60L Tank: 31,500Php (cylindrical tank) wala daw sila Donut tank...

mas magmumura po ba kung pupunta talaga ako dun sa location para macheck talaga nila or standard na yung prices? salamat po.. :D

[giancarlo18]

mga sir which is the best LPG kit installer dito sa manila,because im planning to convert my two cars....TIY MGA SIR

[china_boi]

hey bigMike hows the CRV conversion? pm me.. thnx

[Mile2]

nag-inquire po ako sa greenfuel, green autogas & eroom/denso para sa conversion ng Avanza, eto po yung mga nabanggit na prices... reasonable na po ba ito?

Greenfuel 60L Tank: 42,000Php (Cylindrical tank) 45,000Php (Donut tank)
Greeen Autogas 60L Tank: 40,000Php (Cylindrical tank) 45,000Php (Donut tank)
Eroom/Denso 60L Tank: 31,500Php (cylindrical tank) wala daw sila Donut tank...

mas magmumura po ba kung pupunta talaga ako dun sa location para macheck talaga nila or standard na yung prices? salamat po.. :D

Puntahan mo lahat, ginawa ko rin yan eh

Makikita mo pati quality ng kit, specially the tank and fittings. Maitatanong rin kung ano-ano ang gagawin sa ride mo, kung magbubutas ba o paano ang mounting tank. Take your time and compare the quality of kit and workmanship.

[chuaed]

mga sir which is the best LPG kit installer dito sa manila,because im planning to convert my two cars....TIY MGA SIR

Greenfuel, Green Autogas, Eroom/Denso, and Ambient

whag na whag sa Naiadss...
VERY POOR, I MENT VERY LOUSY AFTERSALE SERVICE...

[architect]

From Philippine Star -

Half price argument for LPG cars
CTALK By Cito Beltran
Wednesday, July 9, 2008

After many months of resistance and denial, I finally gave in. Quite frankly it was one of the most technically difficult decisions to make since it required a change of attitude as well as “lifestyle”. But for half the price I’ll go with cheap rather than expensively easy.

It has probably been two years since my churchmate Gerome Gutierrez broached the idea of using liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) in my car. The idea itself was not foreign since I already knew that many Japanese cars had been running on LPG even during the 1970s. In fact last I heard almost all taxis are operating on alternative fuels such as LPG.

I don’t now if it had anything to do with my age but I obviously displayed as much resistance to LPG conversion as I did to becoming computer savvy, emails and blogs. I guess the only time we shift to alternatives is when we don’t really have a choice or if we’re dying of envy.

Of course we inevitably open up if our competency, skill set and job security are at stake. I have grudgingly embraced the IT world because of Google and Skype but the jump from being a “petrol Head” to alternative fuels was as difficult as pulling out my four wisdom teeth along with my fangs!

First of all, you have to sift through all the bad press as well as the myths about LPG. Second you have to consider the “zone of the unknown” since very few motoring experts have actually written about the real score on using LPG for your car.

Then there is the cost factor to consider where the price to convert petrol to LPG adaptable seems to be determined more on bragging rights of one company over the other (i.e. they are the best, we are the first, we are made in Europe, or we have installed the highest number of LPG units etc). Finally there is the availability, serviceability, and long-term effect.

Sooner or later if you want to know if GOD, religion or LPG is good for you, the only way you will know is if you try it out! Unlike Europe or America we don’t have the luxury of associations, groups or media companies that are dedicated to being guinea pigs for products and consumers. Unfortunately the very few who try don’t have a professionally or culturally accepted set of standards that might be what we call “common”.

So don’t take anybody’s word for it. Certainly not mine, because decisions that impact your lifestyle and driving convenience will strictly be your concern, not ours.

If you happen to be married to a lady who keeps tabs on the gasoline expenses or if your family regularly drives out of town on a weekly basis, then she will most likely decide to immediately convert your cars to LPG.

I eventually brought my 1990 six-cylinder crown to Manila Auto Gas much like Abraham giving up Isaac as a sacrificial offering. Before doing so I had mentally prepared myself for all sorts of glitches and adjustments. This is the reality of conversion, but with experienced guys all goes well.

The conversion (which ranges from a negotiable 24,000 for carbureted cars to 35,000 for EFI engines) usually takes about three to four days. But I let a whole week pass before facing my crown like a guilt ridden Abraham. The “Doughnut” LPG tank fits perfectly where my spare tire used to be. So the first sacrifice is a little space and some added weight. The tank is much thicker and of course heavier than the gasoline tank.

I then learned from Tony Moran also of Manila Auto Gas how to operate on two fuel systems. You flick a selector switch between gasoline and LPG. You set the car on gasoline, warm it up and once you’re hitting 2000/rpm you then switch over to LPG. Like a guy switching between beer and vodka, your car will “cough” once or twice which actually indicates the fuel switch.

Some drivers have commented that cars on LPG don’t have the zip or the hill climb power. After a few days I discovered that the problem had to do with settings or what is commonly called as jettings and rpm. Most consumers are after savings so LPG installers restrict or set the car at “minimum consumption” which in turn restricts the fuel to power potential.

Another common problem is when the car is set with the air conditioner turned off. Once you put on the air-con the car stalls or crawls. I like fixing what aint broke and after which we got better and acceptable performance.

“Hard starting” is a common complaint by cab drivers. But if you study the system you quickly learn that they don’t switch the engine back to “gasoline” a minute before shutting down the engine. This results in drying out the carb of gasoline. You have to start with gasoline and finish with gasoline.

If you drive much older cars, remember that today’s fuels both high-octane gasoline and LPG burn hotter and are void of lead. So many engines suffer because they don’t have enhanced internal metal components like the late 90s models. Just make sure you have additives that protect the “valves”. The system comes with the conversion kit and you just top off the bottle.

The first time I talked about LPG with Gerome, I think the price of 95 octane was somewhere at P40 or less. Today the price is 62.50 while the price of LPG per liter is 32.50. Based on my seven years of Math 11 I estimate that delaying the decision cost me at least 50 thousand pesos.

LPG is currently half the price of gasoline. That is already half the argument and the best excuse to convert to LPG.

[noc_manila]

Meron na po ba LPG refiling station dito sa ortigas ???

[ghosthunter]

nag-inquire po ako sa greenfuel, green autogas & eroom/denso para sa conversion ng Avanza, eto po yung mga nabanggit na prices... reasonable na po ba ito?

Greenfuel 60L Tank: 42,000Php (Cylindrical tank) 45,000Php (Donut tank)
Greeen Autogas 60L Tank: 40,000Php (Cylindrical tank) 45,000Php (Donut tank)
Eroom/Denso 60L Tank: 31,500Php (cylindrical tank) wala daw sila Donut tank...

mas magmumura po ba kung pupunta talaga ako dun sa location para macheck talaga nila or standard na yung prices? salamat po.. :D

You have to also consider what type of auto-lpg system they are selling you aside from the prices. Greenfuel and green autogas would be selling you the SGI kits while Eroom will be their venturi-mixer closed-loop kit.

[Hanukkah]

Those selling SGI kits, I hope you furnish your customers the ECU link cable and software. In my own experience hassle ang pabalik balik for fine tuning ng injection time.

Iba ang fine tuning ng gumagamit. I own a CRV converted to LPG.

[ghosthunter]

Those selling SGI kits, I hope you furnish your customers the ECU link cable and software. In my own experience hassle ang pabalik balik for fine tuning ng injection time.

Iba ang fine tuning ng gumagamit. I own a CRV converted to LPG.

It's best for the customer to bring back the car to the auto-lpg tuner than let the customers tune it themselves. It would probably lead to more screw ups and more problems. Just like the taxi cabs where the drivers tinker around with their auto-lpg kit's settings. There would be some who would get it right but a lot more would simply screw up the mixture.

And btw, the ecu-link cable and software is NOT normally included.

[chuaa]

It's best for the customer to bring back the car to the auto-lpg tuner than let the customers tune it themselves. It would probably lead to more screw ups and more problems. Just like the taxi cabs where the drivers tinker around with their auto-lpg kit's settings. There would be some who would get it right but a lot more would simply screw up the mixture.

And btw, the ecu-link cable and software is NOT normally included.

hi guys...just wanted to ask...have been hearing things about the driver developing respiratory problems due to lpg...any feedback on this...also, i've heard that should you get into a collision..the lpg may explode..(its suppose to be more flamable vs gas...since it is compressed..)

any truth to this...

[userfriendly]

nag-inquire po ako sa greenfuel, green autogas & eroom/denso para sa conversion ng Avanza, eto po yung mga nabanggit na prices... reasonable na po ba ito?

Greenfuel 60L Tank: 42,000Php (Cylindrical tank) 45,000Php (Donut tank)
Greeen Autogas 60L Tank: 40,000Php (Cylindrical tank) 45,000Php (Donut tank)
Eroom/Denso 60L Tank: 31,500Php (cylindrical tank) wala daw sila Donut tank...

mas magmumura po ba kung pupunta talaga ako dun sa location para macheck talaga nila or standard na yung prices? salamat po.. :D

Bro, Avanza is equipped with a plastic intake manifold. You need an SGI kit. Di pwede ang Eroom closed loop system. May risk ng backfire and damage to your intake manifold.

You need to get an SGI kit. Your choice of installer and brand.

[userfriendly]

hi guys...just wanted to ask...have been hearing things about the driver developing respiratory problems due to lpg...any feedback on this...also, i've heard that should you get into a collision..the lpg may explode..(its suppose to be more flamable vs gas...since it is compressed..)

any truth to this...

1. If lpg will cause respiratory problems, then we should all be sick from cooking. A properly installed and maintained lpg system will not cause sickness.

2. Back read, there was a youtube video posted on how 3 cars were intentionally burned. A normal gasoline car, a wrong install of lpg and a properly installed kit.

Also, lpg tanks are thick. it is designed not to burst or rupture from collision. If you have a torpedo tank, your entire trunk and gas tank would have been crushed before the collision hits your lpg tank. Gas tanks are very thin and easy to puncture. You have higher risk of leaking petrol from an accident.