Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[ghosthunter]

*ghosthunter, nice pictures. May I know if this is an SGI set-up and who did the installation?

SGI-LPG kit. Setup done by GREENFUEL

If I may further beg your indulgence, or anyone who can do it, can you kindly encircle the LPG parts in the engine bay and name them. TIA

[ghosthunter]

thank you for the reply. i thought so too that there would be some kind of a fuel consumption penalty. i cannot decide whether it would be worth it to go for the sgi or for the closed loop system, all depends on the corresponding fuel consumption penalties inherent in each of those systems.

The biggest penalty is the purchase price for EROOM's closed-loop LPG systems if you go beyond the standard config of the system. Upgraded tank or donut tanks cost a lot more than with other installers. Closed loop systems do have better fuel mileage than open loop but poorer than sgi systems. SGI systems also offer better fuel control than closed loop.

If you are just getting the basic closed loop, then the price is fine. But if you plan to get a closed loop with torroidial tank (costing P7K more), you would be better off opting for the SGI kit offered by GREENFUEL or GREEN GAS.

[ghosthunter]

Is that small tire enough as a spare? Anong size niyan?

That is the original spare tire that came with the Mazda3. Unfortunately the car is out at the moment so I can't read the wheel size from it.

[vito corleone]

You might want to check the list I made:
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50159

Its a "sticky" in this subforum of tsikot.com

thanks, gh, for creating this thread. . .

now, pasensaya na po, do we have the data that classify which conversion kit from which company is best for which car brand/model? or talagang efi-carb lang ang identification to determine which system is best suitable?

tia

[paolorenzo]

do lpg stations accept cedit card payment for fuel fill up?

Bigger gas stations with Autogas pumps would usually accept credit cards. Pero kung stand-alone Autogas station lang, baka hindi pa. Yung unang full tank ko was in Total (very near Denso, where I had my conversion). They sold petrol, diesel, and autolpg. They accepted credit card. Yung Liquigaz dito sa Sandoval Ave Pasig, 1 pump lang sila for autolpg (they're the refilling plant for Liquigaz for kitchen LPG), and they only accept cash. Yung SeaOil sa Shaw Blvd (near Pineda) has 1 pump for autolpg, and they accept credit cards rin. Ang Manila Autogas is purely autolpg, and hindi yata sila tumatanggap ng credit card (at least not the one in Makati). Petron in Shaw Wack-Wack also has 1 pump for autolpg, and I'm almost sure they accept credit cards.

[ghosthunter]

thanks, gh, for creating this thread. . .

now, pasensaya na po, do we have the data that classify which conversion kit from which company is best for which car brand/model? or talagang efi-carb lang ang identification to determine which system is best suitable?

tia

In general, you just have to go with the efi/carb identification. Certain car models do have quirks when it's running on LPG though.

Example, Chevy Venture gets a "check engine light" whenever its on LPG mode, and the car might eventually stall. Mazda3 1.6L's CEL is a little sensitive on LPG but properly tuned the CEL will not trigger, otherwise the vehicle runs fine.

[JJCarEnthusiast]

im not sure if this' already asked before but may i ask lang po. how many HP and NM of torque will drop if you have your gas engine car converted to LPG? tia

[vito corleone]

maraming salamat, ghost

[ghosthunter]

im not sure if this' already asked before but may i ask lang po. how many HP and NM of torque will drop if you have your gas engine car converted to LPG? tia

Yes it has been asked (over and over and over) before.

venturi-mixer based conversion: roughly 5 to 10% power loss.
sgi based conversion: roughly 0 to 5% power loss.

[smdelfin]

Has anyone tried this deferred payment scheme for LPG conversion?
http://www.yello.com.ph/viewad.php?c...=48475&catid=2

[paolorenzo]

Has anyone tried this deferred payment scheme for LPG conversion?
http://www.yello.com.ph/viewad.php?c...=48475&catid=2

Nice find smdelfin. They are known as ALPGAS, and their mother company is called FEROTECH. Contact numbers are: 641-1111/432-1883/432-1876 (Marice or Steph Sanchez). Installation address is: 8501 Sandoval Avenue, Pinagbuhatan, Pasig City. Email address is alpgas*yahoo.com.

I gave Steph a call, and they carry 2 brands Lovato (Italian) and Voltran (Turkish). Here are the kits they have available:

Carb-type:

• Lovato - 22k
• Votran - 16k

Single-point for EFI (probably open loop with EFI emulator):

• Lovato - 25k
• Votran - 18k

SGI:

• Lovato - 50k
• Votran - 40k and 45k (2 types of kits - she could not explain the difference between them)

They have torpedo type tanks only, with 36/48/60 liter capacities. You may choose any tank with the kits, at no additional costs.

Based on their Yello ad, they offer 12 months 0% interest installment payment options. But they claim it's as low as P1,595/month, which is over 19k. Their most basic package is only 16k. So I don't think they have true 0% interest scheme. They'll probably say it's a "cash discount".

Warranty is 6months or 36,000kms whichever comes first.

Ghost, please post in the LPG Installers thread.

[ghosthunter]

I've added the info on ALPGAS

Thanks for the additional info.

[chuaed]

earlier nasa DZMM teleradyo kay Ted and Korina, napag usapan regarding sa LPG, at nandoon si Mike Tagle napagusapan nila tunkol sa safety and economy ng pag install ng lpg sa kotse at jeepney... 100,000 pesos ang halaga nila sa conversion ng diesel.

warranty daw sa EROOM is 1 year according to Mike...

btw. binangit ni Ted Faylon iyun cell phone number ni Mike, at libre pasaload daw... just kidding...

[tidus1203]

P100,000??? Di ata sulit yan ah... Unless diesel goes to like P100/L and LPG stays where it is which is unlikely the way I see it since LPG prices will go up with crude and most likely even more due to speculative switch...

[ghosthunter]

what kind of conversion is that?... pure LPG or mix diesel/LPG when the engine is converted to LPG?... it might be cheaper to swap in a gasoline engine and then convert to LPG. (price might be under P50K for everything including engine swap & LPG conversion).

[webmiester]

Yes it has been asked (over and over and over) before.

venturi-mixer based conversion: roughly 5 to 10% power loss.
sgi based conversion: roughly 0 to 5% power loss.

Now, the question would be: How much power do you really need?

In heavy traffic in Metro Manila, a kia pride may be able to overtake a ferrari. And in case we plan on overtaking uphill, and need that small 5%, we could simply switch back to gasoline

[webmiester]

thanks, gh, for creating this thread. . .

now, pasensaya na po, do we have the data that classify which conversion kit from which company is best for which car brand/model? or talagang efi-carb lang ang identification to determine which system is best suitable?

tia

That data would be dependent on who provides it though. I bet there would be a lot of protests from companies whose systems are not placed as the #1 compatibility list.

[ghosthunter]

Now, the question would be: How much power do you really need?

In heavy traffic in Metro Manila, a kia pride may be able to overtake a ferrari. And in case we plan on overtaking uphill, and need that small 5%, we could simply switch back to gasoline

Depends on the car more than anything. I can accelerate my corolla 1.6L a/t up the parking ramp of Shangrila EDSA quickly enough to catch up with the car in front of me while on LPG mode. Thats with my primitive venturi-mixer type LPG kit.

The only thing that is affected is the car's maximum speed. If you top out at 170kph, you might find it a bit less under LPG. Otherwise, in practical daily driving, you shouldn't see any compromise in your driving.

[dieselNUBI]

hi guys. we have a civic vti 96 and crv 00. whats the best way to convert? budget wise and economy wise.
who offers a great (not neccesary best) installation and equipment?

and reading the previous posts.. i cant really tell whats the big difference between open, closed system and the sgi system. presyo lang napansin ko pag kakaiba.

[dieselNUBI]

and could someone post here the recent autogas lpg price? para we could compare it sa petrol gasoline.

this also serves as price record tracking and further computation if going lpg powered would be economical. ( not everyone converting will become economical if they arent using their cars enough )