Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[userfriendly]

ano po yung devilsown? LPG conversion kit din??

Alcohol injection is an engine mod where you pump an alcohol and water mix into the intake manifold (I think not 100% sure). Its old technology. 1st used in WWII to give fighter planes more HP. It was then largely forgotten but now being revived b a few companies.

Devildoc is a Tsikot member that sell them. His company is namec Devilsown. There are a few threads here in Tsikot. I think he has a demo scheduled at Speedlab on May 31.

He has posted videos of dyno runs on youtube. Gains are impressive for turbo diesels. Cant remember if it was 30 or 40%. Anyway its in the alcohol injection thread. Emmissions are also a lot less. It also works for naturally aspirated cars but gains will be around 10% max.

Here is one of the threads:

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48442

[tidus1203]

Tanong lang, are LPG prices also going up in tandem with gas prices? I know they have a huge price difference but I wanted to know if LPG prices are also going up?

[userfriendly]

Tanong lang, are LPG prices also going up in tandem with gas prices? I know they have a huge price difference but I wanted to know if LPG prices are also going up?

yes but not as drastic as gas and diesel.

[tidus1203]

Its tempting to convert pero given talaga my mileage di sulit eh... Mahal ng conversion mga P40K-P50K depending on the car....

[ghosthunter]

Tanong lang, are LPG prices also going up in tandem with gas prices? I know they have a huge price difference but I wanted to know if LPG prices are also going up?

Prices of LPG does not necessarily go up and down with gasoline prices because LPG is sourced from both natural gas wells and oils wells.

[tidus1203]

Pero pansin ko kasi pati mga LPG tanks na gingamit sa kusina nag taas din ng presyo eh... Are they from the same source?

[ghosthunter]

Honda CRV gen2 with auto-LPG conversion

[ghosthunter]

[tidus1203]

^^Sulit yan, pag yan kotse ko gagawin ko talagang LPG yan kasi gas guzzler yang 2nd gen CRV...

[Hanukkah]

^^Sulit yan, pag yan kotse ko gagawin ko talagang LPG yan kasi gas guzzler yang 2nd gen CRV...

Why so?

I get 8.5-9.5 Km/L sa gen2 crv ko. Cainta - Makati - Cainta everyday, passing thru C5, fort, Mckinley.

I've done Manila - Bicol (Daet) 362kms slightly over half tank. 80-100kph na may overtake na yan. Tires 29 psi Front, 27 psi Rear. Estimated ko mga 13km/L yon.

I guess nasa driver na din yan. Dapat wag mabigat ang paa sa pedal. 2,000 rpm upshift na.

Actually mas matipid pa nga ang gen2 ko kesa sa Mazda 323 ng ate ko.

[Redman7]

hi guys.. pde bang i convert ang diesel engine to lpg? mga how much kaya? same lang ang performance at consumption nya? tia..

Sabi po nung installer skin, meron din daw po LPG kit for diesel engine.....

mas mahal nga lang po compared to Gas Engine (Php ~80K ),

And as what ser GH mentioned....mixed po ang fuel for Diesel engine
(70/30; 70% diesel with 30% LPG)......

not really that viable....unless you are looking at reducing your emission.

[ghosthunter]

auto-LPG refueling stations: http://ambienergy.com/faq.html#stations

Makati Petron Buendia-Makati Ave.
Malabon Seaoil Malabon, Rizal Ave. Ext.
Mandaluyong Petron Wack-Wack
Mandaluyong Total Shaw Blvd. (near Kalentong)
Manila CAT Gas Quirino Ave cor. Pedro Gil, Paco
Manila CAT Gas Taft Ave.
Paranaque Seaoil Sucat, Sucat Rd.
Pasay Clean Fuels, Andrews Ave. (near NAIA 3) soon to open!
Pasay Island Gas, 2933 Apelo Cruz St., Malibay
Pasay Petron Domestic Rd. (near domestic airport)
Pasig Autogaz Shaw Blvd. (near Honda)
Pasig CAT gas C-5 near Caltex/Green Valley
Pasig Omni Gas, Pasig town proper
Pasig Petron Marcos Hi-way (before Robinsons Mall)
Pasig Petron Valle Verde (along C5)
Pasig Seaoil Pasig Blvd., Barrio Bagong Ilog
Quezon City CAT Gas, Araneta Ave.
Quezon City CAT Gas, Visayas Ave.
Quezon City Clean Fuels, Congressional Ave. (in front of S&R)
Quezon City Clean Fuels, E. Rodriguez, Cubao (beside Happy Sauna)
Quezon City Flying V, Mindanao Ave.
Quezon City Flying V, P. Tuason (near Daily Supermarket)
Quezon City Macro LPG, Mindanao Ave.
Quezon City Omni Gas, Mindanao Ave.
Quezon City Petron Lagro
Quezon City Petron Mindanao Ave.
Quezon City Seaoil Commonwealth, North Fairview, Novaliches
Quezon City Seaoil E. Rodriguez, E. Rodriguez Sr. Ave. (near Espana)
Quezon City Seaoil Edsa (near Mother Ignacia St.)
Quezon City Seaoil Mindanao Ave, Brgy. Bahay Toro, Tandang Sora
Quezon City Seaoil Novaliches, Bgy. Gulod, Quirino Highway, Novaliches
Quezon City Seaoil P. Tuason (Edsa cor P. Tuason)
San Juan Seaoil San Juan, P. Guevarra St. (in front of firestation)
Valenzuela Shell BBB, Valenzuela (Near Fatima College)

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Some more:

http://www.autolpg.com.ph/stations.php

379 Shaw Blvd., Mandaluyong City

Maceda Corner Dimasalang St., Sampaloc, Manila

2704 New Panaderos, Sta. Ana, Manila

May Karuhatan, Valenzuela

[Redman7]

add ko lang po *:

auto-LPG refueling stations: http://ambienergy.com/faq.html#stations

Makati Petron Buendia-Makati Ave.
*Makati Manila AutoGas Kamagong St. (going to C.Roces St)
*Makati Total Kamagong St. (near Kakarong St. going to Ayala)
Malabon Seaoil Malabon, Rizal Ave. Ext.
Mandaluyong Petron Wack-Wack
Mandaluyong Total Shaw Blvd. (near Kalentong)
Manila CAT Gas Quirino Ave cor. Pedro Gil, Paco
Manila CAT Gas Taft Ave.
*Muntinlupa Total Filinvest, Commerce Ave. (before Ayala Town Center)
Paranaque Seaoil Sucat, Sucat Rd.
*Paranaque Petron Sucat, Sucat Rd. (beside Shopwise)
Pasay Clean Fuels, Andrews Ave. (near NAIA 3) soon to open!
Pasay Island Gas, 2933 Apelo Cruz St., Malibay
Pasay Petron Domestic Rd. (near domestic airport)
Pasig Autogaz Shaw Blvd. (near Honda)
Pasig CAT gas C-5 near Caltex/Green Valley
Pasig Omni Gas, Pasig town proper
Pasig Petron Marcos Hi-way (before Robinsons Mall)
Pasig Petron Valle Verde (along C5)
Pasig Seaoil Pasig Blvd., Barrio Bagong Ilog
Quezon City CAT Gas, Araneta Ave.
Quezon City CAT Gas, Visayas Ave.
Quezon City Clean Fuels, Congressional Ave. (in front of S&R)
Quezon City Clean Fuels, E. Rodriguez, Cubao (beside Happy Sauna)
Quezon City Flying V, Mindanao Ave.
Quezon City Flying V, P. Tuason (near Daily Supermarket)
Quezon City Macro LPG, Mindanao Ave.
Quezon City Omni Gas, Mindanao Ave.
Quezon City Petron Lagro
Quezon City Petron Mindanao Ave.
Quezon City Seaoil Commonwealth, North Fairview, Novaliches
Quezon City Seaoil E. Rodriguez, E. Rodriguez Sr. Ave. (near Espana)
Quezon City Seaoil Edsa (near Mother Ignacia St.)
Quezon City Seaoil Mindanao Ave, Brgy. Bahay Toro, Tandang Sora
Quezon City Seaoil Novaliches, Bgy. Gulod, Quirino Highway, Novaliches
Quezon City Seaoil P. Tuason (Edsa cor P. Tuason)
San Juan Seaoil San Juan, P. Guevarra St. (in front of firestation)
Valenzuela Shell BBB, Valenzuela (Near Fatima College)

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Some more:

http://www.autolpg.com.ph/stations.php

[JJCarEnthusiast]

Sabi po nung installer skin, meron din daw po LPG kit for diesel engine.....

mas mahal nga lang po compared to Gas Engine (Php ~80K ),

And as what ser GH mentioned....mixed po ang fuel for Diesel engine
(70/30; 70% diesel with 30% LPG)......

not really that viable....unless you are looking at reducing your emission.

thanks po sir. agree with you its not viable. imo its more practical to buy a gas fed tsikot and have it converted to LPG than buying a diesel fed car. ive heard lpg kits for gaso cars are down to 20-30k (although depending to the car).. hmm tempting maybe its just for sedans/ hatchbacks. but still its a good price.

[ghosthunter]

NOTICE TO ALL:

This is the link to the list of auto-lpg installers and auto-lpg refueling stations in Metro Manila:

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50159

If you are interested or a current user of auto-lpg, you might want to bookmark it.

Thanks for your attention.

[xykosomatik]

AAARRRGGGHHHH just had a whopper of a headache, parang ganito ...

just spent almost 2 days reading the thread from page 1 to page 80:insomnia:... buti na lang i dont read out loud kng nde wla na akong boses ngaun hehehe

anyways, this is ONE very informative and entertaining thread. learned positive things, and also NEGATIVE things as well about auto LPG which directly concerns me.

the negative things?
1. learned that ony 1 Accord VTi-L 2000 was converted. username starts with a "C", can't remember who exactly...
2. no mention whatsoever of installers in Davao

My accord's mileage sucks at around 3.5 - 4 km/l. usual monthly consumption is around 100 liters a month, about 99% city driving. kahit walang traffic, almost all intersections have stoplights so still stop and go. and with 50+ per liter of Caltex Silver, the LPG conversion jumps high above
my list of priorites.

So after reading the entire thread, i have somewhat a more than enough understanding of what the conversion is about. My problem is about the engine itself, since i grew up in 12r's and 4k's, and my experience with efi's is basically ask someone else to do it. So i need to ask those who know Honda engines in particular for help :D

what's the best unit for my car? closed loop or SGI? and how to finetune the f/a mix? what do i need to tell the mechanic, like the buzzwords so that i may appear "learned" and thus not be fooled easily

btw, filling centers are not a problem since almost all of the taxis here are LPG powered, and one thing i noticed... almost all kia's reek of that stale
egg stench, while with the aveos and sentras all are ok. probably because of the overall quality of the newer cars. but there is this kia avila that overtook a lancer struggling up the access ramp, and i noticed that the rpm didn't drop at all! i asked the driver if he's on LPG. he is! ganda ng pagkatono ng taxi nya hehehe and that was with A/C on!

thanks!

[JJCarEnthusiast]

AAARRRGGGHHHH just had a whopper of a headache, parang ganito ...

just spent almost 2 days reading the thread from page 1 to page 80... buti na lang i dont read out loud kng nde wla na akong boses ngaun hehehe

anyways, this is ONE very informative and entertaining thread. learned positive things, and also NEGATIVE things as well about auto LPG which directly concerns me.

the negative things?
1. learned that ony 1 Accord VTi-L 2000 was converted. username starts with a "C", can't remember who exactly...
2. no mention whatsoever of installers in Davao

My accord's mileage sucks at around 3.5 - 4 km/l. usual monthly consumption is around 100 liters a month, about 99% city driving. kahit walang traffic, almost all intersections have stoplights so still stop and go. and with 50+ per liter of Caltex Silver, the LPG conversion jumps high above
my list of priorites.

So after reading the entire thread, i have somewhat a more than enough understanding of what the conversion is about. My problem is about the engine itself, since i grew up in 12r's and 4k's, and my experience with efi's is basically ask someone else to do it. So i need to ask those who know Honda engines in particular for help :D

what's the best unit for my car? closed loop or SGI? and how to finetune the f/a mix? what do i need to tell the mechanic, like the buzzwords so that i may appear "learned" and thus not be fooled easily

btw, filling centers are not a problem since almost all of the taxis here are LPG powered, and one thing i noticed... almost all kia's reek of that stale
egg stench, while with the aveos and sentras all are ok. probably because of the overall quality of the newer cars. but there is this kia avila that overtook a lancer struggling up the access ramp, and i noticed that the rpm didn't drop at all! i asked the driver if he's on LPG. he is! ganda ng pagkatono ng taxi nya hehehe and that was with A/C on!

thanks!

hehe ang galing ng taxi na yan pre wala akong alam sa davao pero sa cagayan de oro meron.. sa meh ford casa sa national highway sa meh kausawagan.. naka limutan ko ang brand pero noon sila nag susuply.. kung wala na sila, punta ka sa autogas sa national highway parin kaya lang sa side na going to gaisano na meron dun..

[Redman7]

AAARRRGGGHHHH just had a whopper of a headache, parang ganito ...

just spent almost 2 days reading the thread from page 1 to page 80:insomnia:... buti na lang i dont read out loud kng nde wla na akong boses ngaun hehehe

anyways, this is ONE very informative and entertaining thread. learned positive things, and also NEGATIVE things as well about auto LPG which directly concerns me.

the negative things?
1. learned that ony 1 Accord VTi-L 2000 was converted. username starts with a "C", can't remember who exactly...
2. no mention whatsoever of installers in Davao

My accord's mileage sucks at around 3.5 - 4 km/l. usual monthly consumption is around 100 liters a month, about 99% city driving. kahit walang traffic, almost all intersections have stoplights so still stop and go. and with 50+ per liter of Caltex Silver, the LPG conversion jumps high above
my list of priorites.

So after reading the entire thread, i have somewhat a more than enough understanding of what the conversion is about. My problem is about the engine itself, since i grew up in 12r's and 4k's, and my experience with efi's is basically ask someone else to do it. So i need to ask those who know Honda engines in particular for help

what's the best unit for my car? closed loop or SGI? and how to finetune the f/a mix? what do i need to tell the mechanic, like the buzzwords so that i may appear "learned" and thus not be fooled easily

btw, filling centers are not a problem since almost all of the taxis here are LPG powered, and one thing i noticed... almost all kia's reek of that stale
egg stench, while with the aveos and sentras all are ok. probably because of the overall quality of the newer cars. but there is this kia avila that overtook a lancer struggling up the access ramp, and i noticed that the rpm didn't drop at all! i asked the driver if he's on LPG. he is! ganda ng pagkatono ng taxi nya hehehe and that was with A/C on!

thanks!

SGI ka na ser ; this kit comes with an ECU;
you wont need any manual tweaking; computerized po ang tuning.

[Redman7]

80 pages in 2 days?!..

i would say you were hit by the LPG Bug as well...he,he,

would recommend you get your lpg kit done asap ser...

para tangal ang sakit ng ulo mo...he,he,

ako enjoy na ulit mag-pa full tank...always below 1K full tank na !

[Elroi]

before refueling, kelangan ba ubos laman ng tank or u can refuel anytime?

* sir GH: ilan liters capacity ng "donut" tank? what's the maximum capacity ng donut tank? di ba prone na pasukin ng debris yung filler nozzle?