Which should one choose? Japanese, American, European, Korean or Chinese?

**jut703** · February 21st, 2015 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Ry_Tower

IIRC Tucson TOTL CRDi was P1.7M, now its about P1.4M. hehe

Talk about pricing by HARI.

GLS Premium yung 1.7M before, yung GL CRDi na 1.428M ngayon diba 1.380M lang yun before?

Diniscontinue lang nila yung GLS Premium CRDi.

**Starex_Gold** · February 22nd, 2015 12:36 AM

^ buti nga discontinued na GLS Premium eh, di kami masyado dumami

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**Ry_Tower** · February 22nd, 2015 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Starex_Gold

^ buti nga discontinued na GLS Premium eh, di kami masyado dumami

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Originally Posted by jut703

GLS Premium yung 1.7M before, yung GL CRDi na 1.428M ngayon diba 1.380M lang yun before?

Diniscontinue lang nila yung GLS Premium CRDi.

Ah ok, discontinue pala. Bakit kaya? Dito sa amin may ilan pa rin nakabili nyan before. Suwerte nga gaya ni SG ah! Hehe

**bloowolf** · February 22nd, 2015 10:48 AM

As far as Hyundai & KIA is concerned, they took the shortcut in producing their cars compared to Japanese. Pirated European designers, engines made in Europe, maraming electrical made by Bosch. I read somewhere that the turbo is Garret (dunno if it is true, though). I just don't know how many percent is Korean made (the glass is).

**Walter** · February 22nd, 2015 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by JR318

Pansin ko lang pag korean cars daming features compared to japanese cars bakit kaya..

That was before because they were trying to gain market share. Plus they sacrificed some mechanical quality to add more features.

**screws** · February 22nd, 2015 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by bloowolf

As far as Hyundai & KIA is concerned, they took the shortcut in producing their cars compared to Japanese. Pirated European designers, engines made in Europe, maraming electrical made by Bosch. I read somewhere that the turbo is Garret (dunno if it is true, though). I just don't know how many percent is Korean made (the glass is).

What do you mean by saying they took the shortcut?

It is a common place in any industry to hire the best if they are available. Take for example Tesla, how many former Apple employees do they have? KIA at the time of hiring of Peter Schreyer wanted to focus on European Market. So what did they do? Hire someone who has a track record in designing European cars. That's common sense.

It is also common place for car manufacturer to partner with other car companies when they are designing some engines. Some example, Mitsubishi, Chrysler and Hyundai partner to design an Engine. Toyota is using a diesel engine from BMW in other markets.

If you are talking CRDI system for Hyundai/KIA, yes they use Bosch brand. Check BMW and Merc or other models, they are also using Bosch parts too. Check some of your engine parts, its also manufactured by other companies. KIA/Hyundai use Garretts Turbo, so as Toyota, Mitsu, Mazda and other brands in some of their models.

Toyotas and Mitsubishi has manufacturing facility in Philippines. Vios and Innovas are assembled in the Philippines. Adventure too. Most Hyundai/Kia that reach our shores is assembled in Korea. If we are going to be baised to where the product is made. Who would you trust? The product Made in the Philippines or the product Made in Korea?

Hyundai or Kia doesnt take "shortcuts" when making their cars. They have thier approch similar as to other car manufacturers. What sets Japanese or European to American or Korean is probably the tolerances level in thier manufacturing process which deserves another topic. Read W. Edwards Deming and read history books why Japanese or European made cars are much better now than American made cars.

**soul12** · February 23rd, 2015 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by bloowolf

As far as Hyundai & KIA is concerned, they took the shortcut in producing their cars compared to Japanese. Pirated European designers, engines made in Europe, maraming electrical made by Bosch. I read somewhere that the turbo is Garret (dunno if it is true, though). I just don't know how many percent is Korean made (the glass is).

So whats wrong with that?

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Originally Posted by bloowolf

As far as Hyundai & KIA is concerned, they took the shortcut in producing their cars compared to Japanese. Pirated European designers, engines made in Europe, maraming electrical made by Bosch. I read somewhere that the turbo is Garret (dunno if it is true, though). I just don't know how many percent is Korean made (the glass is).

So whats wrong with that?

**Syuryuken** · February 23rd, 2015 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by screws

What do you mean by saying they took the shortcut?

It is a common place in any industry to hire the best if they are available. Take for example Tesla, how many former Apple employees do they have? KIA at the time of hiring of Peter Schreyer wanted to focus on European Market. So what did they do? Hire someone who has a track record in designing European cars. That's common sense.

It is also common place for car manufacturer to partner with other car companies when they are designing some engines. Some example, Mitsubishi, Chrysler and Hyundai partner to design an Engine. Toyota is using a diesel engine from BMW in other markets.

If you are talking CRDI system for Hyundai/KIA, yes they use Bosch brand. Check BMW and Merc or other models, they are also using Bosch parts too. Check some of your engine parts, its also manufactured by other companies. KIA/Hyundai use Garretts Turbo, so as Toyota, Mitsu, Mazda and other brands in some of their models.

Toyotas and Mitsubishi has manufacturing facility in Philippines. Vios and Innovas are assembled in the Philippines. Adventure too. Most Hyundai/Kia that reach our shores is assembled in Korea. If we are going to be baised to where the product is made. Who would you trust? The product Made in the Philippines or the product Made in Korea?

Hyundai or Kia doesnt take "shortcuts" when making their cars. They have thier approch similar as to other car manufacturers. What sets Japanese or European to American or Korean is probably the tolerances level in thier manufacturing process which deserves another topic. Read W. Edwards Deming and read history books why Japanese or European made cars are much better now than American made cars.

amen!

too short

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Originally Posted by screws

What do you mean by saying they took the shortcut?

It is a common place in any industry to hire the best if they are available. Take for example Tesla, how many former Apple employees do they have? KIA at the time of hiring of Peter Schreyer wanted to focus on European Market. So what did they do? Hire someone who has a track record in designing European cars. That's common sense.

It is also common place for car manufacturer to partner with other car companies when they are designing some engines. Some example, Mitsubishi, Chrysler and Hyundai partner to design an Engine. Toyota is using a diesel engine from BMW in other markets.

If you are talking CRDI system for Hyundai/KIA, yes they use Bosch brand. Check BMW and Merc or other models, they are also using Bosch parts too. Check some of your engine parts, its also manufactured by other companies. KIA/Hyundai use Garretts Turbo, so as Toyota, Mitsu, Mazda and other brands in some of their models.

Toyotas and Mitsubishi has manufacturing facility in Philippines. Vios and Innovas are assembled in the Philippines. Adventure too. Most Hyundai/Kia that reach our shores is assembled in Korea. If we are going to be baised to where the product is made. Who would you trust? The product Made in the Philippines or the product Made in Korea?

Hyundai or Kia doesnt take "shortcuts" when making their cars. They have thier approch similar as to other car manufacturers. What sets Japanese or European to American or Korean is probably the tolerances level in thier manufacturing process which deserves another topic. Read W. Edwards Deming and read history books why Japanese or European made cars are much better now than American made cars.

amen!

too short

**jaggerx3** · February 23rd, 2015 11:13 PM

Sa KDM na Grand Starex ko Delhpi na parts nila. Korean cars are great cars. As long as you know how to maintain.
May nabasa ako dati na kapag Japanese car daw nasira sinasabi normal lang. Pero pag Korean car nagkasira sasabihin na Korean car daw kasi

Sa dalawa na Korean car namin. Di ako nagka problema. Mas nagkaproblema pa nga ako sa Toyota namin.

**niky** · February 24th, 2015 02:49 AM

Doesn't really matter all that much, nowadays

The Japanese outsource important parts and assembly development to outside manufacturers. Common rail systems to Denso, for example (and I dare you to find anyone who's experienced common rail diesel issues who holds Denso in higher regard than Bosch!

)... and transmissions from JATCO. Toyota's high-performance engines are still being engineered by Yamaha, as well. Mitsubishi's Mirage motor was engineered by a Daimler subsidiary. And, as screws said: everyone uses Garrett turbos.

Why spend so much money on developing it yourself when you can hire an expert to do it for you?

The Koreans played it smart. They licensed technology here and there, hired the best third-party developers money could buy for their fuel and engine systems.

Does that make them less Korean? Nope. The buck stops at the head office... which oversees the platform engineering and ultimately decides future development and the final form of each car.

Same for any manufacturer, really.