[Merged] Honda CITY vs Toyota VIOS

mk · August 12th, 2003 05:53 PM

659 k for the top of the line ng city, and 678k yata top of the line ng vios...mas mahal vios pero lacks safety...
i really dont get the logic...city 1.3 abs,srs,airbag , sa vios 1.5 pero walang safety...

**ssaloon** · August 12th, 2003 05:57 PM

prices for vios pala yung secod set of figures. mods paki-edit nalang. tnx po

**ozcity** · August 12th, 2003 06:00 PM

yung price hindi pa kasama ang insurace diba?
so basically plus 30k-50k pa....

**HBOY** · August 12th, 2003 06:03 PM

san ko ba nabasa na yung CVT tranny ng City makes it more efficient thus power loss is less than the A/T tranny of the vios... making the Vios and City more or less equal in WHP.

dont ask me the tech details.. ehehe. nde ko alam ang CVT technology gaano..:P

**Altis6453** · August 12th, 2003 06:41 PM

Just a little info...

Both the new Honda City and the Toyota Vios were tested by Autocar Asean Magazine's editors along with the Proton Waja. Here are some excerpts from their tests:

2003 Toyota Vios 1.5G:

The Vios, with the most powerful engine, and weighing the least among the trio, is the enthusiasts choice here. The VVTi engine is a keen rever, partnered with a transmission that is eager to oblige when asked to hustle, while also giving slick shifts and feeling no different from the autobox in more expensive Toyotas.

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The Vios's sportier-than-thou theme is further illustrated by the lower seating position (relative to the City) and the thick-rimmed three spoke steering whee, which provides tangible feedback about what's happening with the front wheels. 185/55 R15 tyres and all around disc brakes help the Vios scrub of speed in a composed fashion, accompanied by a firm, yet reassuring brake pedal feel. Too clever, however, is the centrally-mounted instrument display --- not so much its positioning, but in that it is way too cluttered to properly show all the information clearly and immediately.

2003 Honda City (Note, the model tested sported a 1.5 li engine):

The driveability of the Honda rests squarely on its CVT gearbox. And, what a masterstroke to introduce such technology in a car as important as the City. Yes, there are plenty of good automatics around, but only a good CVT can provide seamless and shockless deliver of power. Add ride comfort and seemingly unflustered by the poorest road surfaces in town, a smooth and quiet eight-valve fourpot, you have a car with astounding levels of refinement for its price. The City won't out-run or out-handle the immediate competition, but when you need to keep up with traffic, you can count on the CVT to keep the engine stirring sweetly in the powerband. Don't bother with the 7-speed manual shift control, though --- it may be fun for awhile, but the novelty wears out pretty quickly.

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On paper, the Vios looks to have the City beat. It's more powerful and better-looking (by general consensus) and probably the preferred car by those who drive. Usually, these factors would mean an easy victory in any shootout. But, in this case, the City runs very close in those areas where the Vios is supposedly superior while soundly beating it in others such as cabin versatility and drivetrain smoothness.

...ladies and gentlemen, you have our winner. It's the Honda City by a nose.

* Excerpts taken from July 2003 issue of AUTOCAR Asean. Article by Denis Wong

**ozcity** · August 12th, 2003 06:41 PM

hboy,

sa forum ng motioncars.com yun..teka eto paste ko na lang..

A very good Malaysian review article about the City stated that the 1.5L versions of both models actually puts out almost the same power at the wheels due to the diff. technologies employed for both models. Short summary:

Power at the crank - parasitic losses == Power at the wheels

Toyota Vios 1.5 G A/T:
107 HP (at the crank) - 30% power loss(power lost due to conventional torque-converter equipped slush disc + battery alternator + A/C compressor + power-steering hydraulic pump) == 75 HP (at the wheels)

Honda City-S 1.5 CVT:

88 HP (at the crank) - 16% power loss(alternator + A/C compressor + low power-loss CVT + no power-loss electric servo power-steering) == 74 HP (at the wheels)

It's just too bad Honda Phil. won't be bringing the 1.5L L15A City here.

**April_Ryan** · August 12th, 2003 10:06 PM

question. the price of the high end Vios and City is close to the Lynx GSi (1.6, M/T at about P670, A/T at P690). Kung isasama ang Lynx sa equation, what would you prefer?