Innova V vs Innova G AT vs Montero GLS AT vs Fortuner G AT vs Corolla Cross G vs Territory Titanium

[Wh1stl3r]

Ma tulad yan sa RAV4 at Camry. If you want one, you can order a unit and it’s considered sold. Wala rin test drive.


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Pag Toyota daw di na kelangan ng test drive. Mabibili pa rin daw kasi. [emoji854]

I'd get the Innova V so the in laws can be comfortable. And they don't have to step up/down during ingress/egress unlike the PPVs.

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[hardwang]

Innova/Fortuner won't give you any headaches even 10 years down the line. Ford Territory with all the electronic gadgetry will be a pain in the ass. Everest Titanium pa lang andami na electronic issues.

Yan talaga sinasabi nila (including the ones who never had a Ford). We had a Ford Ranger bought in 2013. More than 7 years of ownership before, wala namang electronic na issues eh. Other Ford cars we owned are the Ford Escape bought in 2005, sold in 2010, and currently a 2017 Focus. Zero issues with regards to their electronics.

[GTcervan]

Ma tulad yan sa RAV4 at Camry. If you want one, you can order a unit and it’s considered sold. Wala rin test drive.


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Eto ata yung tinatawag na indent order basis eh

[GTcervan]

Innova/Fortuner won't give you any headaches even 10 years down the line. Ford Territory with all the electronic gadgetry will be a pain in the ass. Everest Titanium pa lang andami na electronic issues.

Kung Fortuner or Innova, I'll choose Innova. Taller and wider interior, more elbow and headroom. Upuan niyo back to back, Innova pinaka maluwag even compared to other PPVs. 3rd row seats kasya ako kahit almost 6', adjust lang konti 2nd row.

Fortuner is only bigger on the exterior due to the larger wheel wells/tires, and longer hood.

Montero is the smallest of all. Even tighter than the Xpander when I sat back to back sa Mitsu dealer before. And wala na space behind 3rd row, backpack lang ata kasya pero not an issue kung hindi regularly gagamitin. Also not a fan of the electronic parking brake, may mga nastranded na members ng Montero club sa malayo dahil lang nilanggam lang yung switch. Mahal din papalit nito. Just a consideration if 10 years mo gagamitin.

Yep, super sikip nga ng current montero. Pano eh halos parehas kasi ang dimensions nito sa previous gen. Pagdating sa loob, talagang halata ang sikip kasi mataas ang flooring at sa mga uupo sa harap, tumutukod sa gilid yung umbok niya sa gitna. Sa ikalawang hilera naman, pag tatluhan ramdam na ramdam na ang pagkagipit sa espasyo, di kagaya sa ibang ppv. Suv nga siya pero hindi naman kaluwagan ang loob.

[dr. d]

Innova/Fortuner won't give you any headaches even 10 years down the line. Ford Territory with all the electronic gadgetry will be a pain in the ass. Everest Titanium pa lang andami na electronic issues.

ganito po yan.
electronics are usually more reliable than electromechanicals.
but when the electromechanicals malfunction, a regular auto electrician will usually be able to fix it.
when the electronics malfunction, it may not be easy to trouble-shoot and will cause big headaches.

[Lakwatsero]

Yep, super sikip nga ng current montero. Pano eh halos parehas kasi ang dimensions nito sa previous gen. Pagdating sa loob, talagang halata ang sikip kasi mataas ang flooring at sa mga uupo sa harap, tumutukod sa gilid yung umbok niya sa gitna. Sa ikalawang hilera naman, pag tatluhan ramdam na ramdam na ang pagkagipit sa espasyo, di kagaya sa ibang ppv. Suv nga siya pero hindi naman kaluwagan ang loob.

Tama ka same dimensions, nagkatalo lang sa bumper at fender. Pinaka obvious sa rear windshield yung kitid ng kaha. Pansin din sa interior layout, parehong pareho. Same yung upo sa 3 rows. Third row ganung ganun pa rin, antaas ng tuhod, tapos ang hirap ifold.

Mas lumala pa sa 1st row kasi anlaki ng center console, dikit na tuhod. Dati walang ganun kaya pwede pa bumukaka kahit papaano.

Pero kung 2 passengers lang na ***y, pwede na rin siguro.

[Lakwatsero]

Yan talaga sinasabi nila (including the ones who never had a Ford). We had a Ford Ranger bought in 2013. More than 7 years of ownership before, wala namang electronic na issues eh. Other Ford cars we owned are the Ford Escape bought in 2005, sold in 2010, and currently a 2017 Focus. Zero issues with regards to their electronics.

Good for you. Others aren't so lucky. Favorite topic sa ford club dati yung stuck panoramic sunroof sa Everest. EPS naman sa Explorer. Eto bagong issue, yung 10speed auto, gusto na ata mag file ng kaso yung nasiraan sa raptor group. Widely known issue yan sa Thailand kaya extended warranty na. Pano pa yung naabutan ng overheating DCT sa Ecosport dati, dami rin cases noon. Puro reset lang ng TCM solution.

Tbh, class leading yung Ford pagdating sa features, maporma rin. Bibili na nga dapat ako ng Everest dati kaso nagdalawang isip ako sa EPS. Buong assembly pala palit nyan pag nasira unlike sa iba na yung motor lang. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Kung ako bibili ng oto for 10 years, ayoko maabutan ng sakit ng ulo kahit sabihin na may warranty. Kasi iwan mo sa casa, downtime pa lang lugi ka na. Pwedeng swerte walang issue, pero nandyan pa rin yung alinlangan.

[istan]

Wag Ford. Ganda tingnan... Hanggang tingin ka na lang muna, bulok lemon law dito.

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[hardwang]

Good for you. Others aren't so lucky. Favorite topic sa ford club dati yung stuck panoramic sunroof sa Everest. EPS naman sa Explorer. Eto bagong issue, yung 10speed auto, gusto na ata mag file ng kaso yung nasiraan sa raptor group. Widely known issue yan sa Thailand kaya extended warranty na. Pano pa yung naabutan ng overheating DCT sa Ecosport dati, dami rin cases noon. Puro reset lang ng TCM solution.

Tbh, class leading yung Ford pagdating sa features, maporma rin. Bibili na nga dapat ako ng Everest dati kaso nagdalawang isip ako sa EPS. Buong assembly pala palit nyan pag nasira unlike sa iba na yung motor lang. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Kung ako bibili ng oto for 10 years, ayoko maabutan ng sakit ng ulo kahit sabihin na may warranty. Kasi iwan mo sa casa, downtime pa lang lugi ka na. Pwedeng swerte walang issue, pero nandyan pa rin yung alinlangan.

Bakit biglang napunta sa transmission? Akala ko sa electronic issues lang. I’m just saying I didn’t encounter any issues relating to electronics sa Ford, wala akong sinabi sa powertrain.

Anyway, the closest I had was maybe with the Mazda 2 which was based on the Fiesta, yung transponder sa susi hindi responsive. Pero hindi ako sigurado kung Ford ba o Mazda ang gumawa ng transponder key.

[GTcervan]

Tama ka same dimensions, nagkatalo lang sa bumper at fender. Pinaka obvious sa rear windshield yung kitid ng kaha. Pansin din sa interior layout, parehong pareho. Same yung upo sa 3 rows. Third row ganung ganun pa rin, antaas ng tuhod, tapos ang hirap ifold.

Mas lumala pa sa 1st row kasi anlaki ng center console, dikit na tuhod. Dati walang ganun kaya pwede pa bumukaka kahit papaano.

Pero kung 2 passengers lang na ***y, pwede na rin siguro.

Oo, ayun din pala sir haha. Maliit yung windshield sa likod kaya mejo limited din ang visibility, tas yung tumbol ng rear wheels alam ko tumatapik sa tagiliran ng mga nakaupo sa second row. Kaya wala, olats talaga sa interior space ang montero. Mas maluwag pa xpander na mas maliit edi pano na yan. Bukod dun, kakaphase out lang ng mitsubishi sa pajero kaya wala na ganong pagpipilian na suv ang iba sa kanila kung concern nila yun. Mahihirapan yung mga claustrophobic jan.

May kakilala ako dati sa facebook na super fanatiko ng mitsubishi eh, yung tipong kahit teenager palang siya eh todo santo na siya sa mga models ng brand, kahit l300 pa yan, adventure o mirage. Hanggang sa naging ahente na siya ng mismong brand pagkatanda niya, ganun parin ang pagiging fanatiko niya. Alam ko nagkaroon ng bagong montero ang pamilya niya at pilit niyang pinagyayabang na mas maluwag daw ito sa loob kumpara sa todong nilalait niyang fortuner na mas malapad naman dun.

Hays, ewan ko ba. Sadyang may mga tao lang talaga na makikitid ang utak at hindi kayang tumanggap ng mga opinion galing sa mga ibang tao.

[Lakwatsero]

May kakilala ako dati sa facebook na super fanatiko ng mitsubishi eh, yung tipong kahit teenager palang siya eh todo santo na siya sa mga models ng brand, kahit l300 pa yan, adventure o mirage. Hanggang sa naging ahente na siya ng mismong brand pagkatanda niya, ganun parin ang pagiging fanatiko niya. Alam ko nagkaroon ng bagong montero ang pamilya niya at pilit niyang pinagyayabang na mas maluwag daw ito sa loob kumpara sa todong nilalait niyang fortuner na mas malapad naman dun.

Hays, ewan ko ba. Sadyang may mga tao lang talaga na makikitid ang utak at hindi kayang tumanggap ng mga opinion galing sa mga ibang tao.

Bagay nga sa kanya Montero, makitid na oto para sa makitid na utak.

May kilala rin ako ganyan, todo post ng Mirage niya, que mas mura mas matipid daw sa Vios. Pinasok sa grab, ayan labasan lahat ng kalampag bagong bago pa. Wala naman daw sira, sadyang kalampagin lang. Hanggang sa pinagsawaan na, bumili na lang ng Vios pamalit si mokong.

Hindi ko magegets yung brand loyalty. Todo defend pag binatikos na yung brand. Wala naman loyalty award pinamimigay.

[Lakwatsero]

Bakit biglang napunta sa transmission? Akala ko sa electronic issues lang. I’m just saying I didn’t encounter any issues relating to electronics sa Ford, wala akong sinabi sa powertrain.

Anyway, the closest I had was maybe with the Mazda 2 which was based on the Fiesta, yung transponder sa susi hindi responsive. Pero hindi ako sigurado kung Ford ba o Mazda ang gumawa ng transponder key.

I can keep listing electronics issues. Pero people also deserve to know na hindi lang yan haharapin nila pag nachambahan. And if the maker can't even get the mechanicals right, what about the rest of the vehicle? Kawawa yung buyer in the end.

There's a saying, it takes 20 years to build a reputation and 5 minutes to ruin it. Until such time they can consistently roll out good vehicles, that reputation will persist.

[dr. d]

May kakilala ako dati sa facebook na super fanatiko ng mitsubishi eh, yung tipong kahit teenager palang siya eh todo santo na siya sa mga models ng brand, kahit l300 pa yan, adventure o mirage. Hanggang sa naging ahente na siya ng mismong brand pagkatanda niya, ganun parin ang pagiging fanatiko niya. Alam ko nagkaroon ng bagong montero ang pamilya niya at pilit niyang pinagyayabang na mas maluwag daw ito sa loob kumpara sa todong nilalait niyang fortuner na mas malapad naman dun.

if i were the mitsu dealership boss,
i would have loved that guy to continue working for me.
heh heh.

every car has its share of adoring fanatics.
a potential issue against them, is that not everybody may agree with them.

i once nonchalantly commented, as i was climbing onto my colleague's fortuner,
that his car and my innova seem to have the same interior passenger space.
aba! the person reacted with, what i thought then, "uncommon sagacity".
i never rode in it again.

in my opinion,
it is much easier to qualify interior passenger space, if one were a biggie, rather than if one were a smallie.

[Wh1stl3r]

Doesn't look like it from outside, but the Montero Sport's cabin is really snug. The footwell is what turned me off the most. Driver's seat can't provide a comfortable manspreading position for even an average/small guy like me. And the relatively tight cabin makes me feel claustrophobic. But I do have a couple of big friends who don't mind at all and actually prefer the cocooned feeling inside.

[Egan101]

Hindi ko magegets yung brand loyalty. Todo defend pag binatikos na yung brand. Wala naman loyalty award pinamimigay.

Wala ka magawa sa mga ganyan. The best na para sa kanila yung chosen brand nila.

Parang mga Honda fanatics din yan. Sinasamba yung Civic or City or Jazz nila. As if yun na holy grail ng kotse tapos puro body kits at tambutso lang. Nabara ko nga one time yung isa, sabi ko drive ka muna ng Accord bago mo sabihin the best yan Civic mo.


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[Egan101]

i once nonchalantly commented, as i was climbing onto my colleague's fortuner,
that his car and my innova seem to have the same interior passenger space.
aba! the person reacted with, what i thought then, "uncommon sagacity".
i never rode in it again.

Laitin mo na lahat wag lang yung kotse nya! Hahahaha


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[dr. d]

innova...
altis...
what i probably subliminally want, is a camry...
heh heh.

[dr. d]

Laitin mo na lahat wag lang yung kotse nya! Hahahaha


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tunay!
you criticize a man's house... he'll probably agree with you, if only in part.
you criticize a man's car... you criticize his manhood.
heh heh.

[ice15]

Yan talaga sinasabi nila (including the ones who never had a Ford). We had a Ford Ranger bought in 2013. More than 7 years of ownership before, wala namang electronic na issues eh. Other Ford cars we owned are the Ford Escape bought in 2005, sold in 2010, and currently a 2017 Focus. Zero issues with regards to their electronics.

Actually, di ko naiisip na masisira yung "electronics" ng Territory in 10 years...

Pero naiisip ko na yun ang iisipin ng possible buyers 10 years from now, hence not only will the value go down... worst case, walang interested bumili

Big issue ko against the Territory is that sa screen and controls pati ng A/C

2 years old pa lang yung City ko and bagal na bagal na ako sa UI ng head unit, paano pa kaya yung head unit ng Territory 5 years from now?

Honestly, pangit na pangit ako sa head unit ng local Toyota cars. Pero at least madaling palitan 2-3 years later

[dr. d]

some buyers like simple. the simpler, the better.
other buyers want the latest with the mostest.

some buyers choose their cars on the basis of the showroom blings.
other buyers think of scenarios 5-10 years down the road.

whatever you have,
there will always be pros and cons.