Avanza 1.3 J M/T (5 seater) or Vios 1.3 J M/T ... which would you choose?

**meledson** · January 16th, 2010 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by niky

Just be aware of the height of the Avanza's air intake and computer box, so you'll know how high a flood it can cross and how high a flood it can survive. And being a gasoline vehicle with an EFI engine, it's not quite as "flood-proof" as an old-school diesel.

The air intake is behind the left headlight. Compared to a sedan such as the vios, it is higher.

The computer box is behind the glove compartment I think.

Since modern efi engines do not have distributors nor ignition coils, I think they are more resistant to water than those that still have them.

**niky** · January 16th, 2010 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by meledson

The air intake is behind the left headlight. Compared to a sedan such as the vios, it is higher.

The computer box is behind the glove compartment I think.

Since modern efi engines do not have distributors nor ignition coils, I think they are more resistant to water than those that still have them.

They still have ignition coils. They're just directly fired by the ECU, so there is less chance of crossfiring when wet. There's still danger with a headlight intake as compared to the inner fender intake, as a bow wave can sometimes splash it. But yes, the Avanza headlight is higher off the ground than the Vios's intake.

I'm still trying to remember whether the Avanza or both the Avanza and Vios have flood-proof ECUs. I know a Toyota owner mentioned this before... that these were the only Toyota products that had ECUs that were resistant to water damage...

**niky** · January 16th, 2010 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by XTO

yes, particularly in your mind and not base on crash testing alone. again you will never know what will hit you. can you really pinpoint what injuries and extent those dummies will sustain? nah!

I don't really understand your point. What would you like to happen? None of us actually buy any vehicle because we don't know what's going to happen? Crash tests give you an idea of how a car will react to most impacts. They won't cover 100% of those impacts, but those they don't cover are either rare or unsurvivable in any case.

Note: More people have died in the past two or three years (in the Philippines) due to stones being thrown through the windshield from overpasses than through hitting telephone poles. And yet they still sell cars that aren't protected against this. Because to make them proof against this would cost a lot of money... money only the very rich can afford to spend on their cars. (I don't know about you, but if I had to spend an extra 1-2m to make my truck death-proof, I'd rather buy an armored car...)

Does this make the pole impact test unimportant? No. It's because of that test that people actually survive impacts with telephone poles... and it remains an important consideration when buying a car.

I ain't going to argue with you for argument's sake. So please stop bringing up pointless arguments.

**ghosthunter** · January 16th, 2010 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by niky

I ain't going to argue with you for argument's sake. So please stop bringing up pointless arguments.

It took you this long to get to that conclusion?

On a side note: we should take XTO with us during the Khaos demo day to ask more pointless questions.

**dr. d** · January 16th, 2010 05:32 PM

each and every car model has its pros and cons. soooo... after so many comments and insults, what shall it be, my good man? avanza or vios?
btw, between avanza and innova, i'll take the innova. everytime.. it cost me 600K to come to this conclusion. (ok. 100K. tanggalin na natin yung re-sale money.)

**badkuk** · January 16th, 2010 10:07 PM

if not for that one standing issue, i'd go for the avanza:

-- flexibility is always a plus for me.
-- higher ground clearance seems best, what with potholes and floods being a part of everyday driving

**cktlcmd** · January 16th, 2010 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by dr. d

each and every car model has its pros and cons. soooo... after so many comments and insults, what shall it be, my good man? avanza or vios?
btw, between avanza and innova, i'll take the innova. everytime.. it cost me 600K to come to this conclusion. (ok. 100K. tanggalin na natin yung re-sale money.)

I think...I'll go for the Avanza because of it's higher ground clearance and have a huge space for cargo.

Before I started looking at the Vios and Avanza, I started looking at small cars like the Alto, i10, and Getz. But after seing cars wade through flood waters, I got scared of getting a small car.

**ghosthunter** · January 17th, 2010 11:56 AM

Moderator's Note: all off-topic posts by user "XTO" has been removed from this thread.

Reason: aside from the 1st page post, all subsequent posts were off-topic.

**XTO** · January 17th, 2010 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by alwayz_yummy

remember - any new vehicle pag nabungo ng dyip..kahit 5-star NCAP pa yan...wasak yan..

korek! even mga baboy na sakay sigurado patay

**shadow3616931** · January 17th, 2010 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by cktlcmd

Before I started looking at the Vios and Avanza, I started looking at small cars like the Alto, i10, and Getz. But after seing cars wade through flood waters, I got scared of getting a small car.

Before I love small cars but when I was involved in a fatal accident my perception with cars have changed... my cars now are fortuner and xtrail. I still have my avanza but I use it in city only