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    #51
    Quote Originally Posted by timtonymanu View Post
    A bit biased here..

    For me, crosswind sir, reliable talaga ang 4ja1, timing gear cya so no worries na magpapalit ka ng belt at regular mileage intervals, tapos ang maintenance nya lang halos ay change oil, oil filter and fuel filter, na kahit sa mga suking gas stations eh pwede pagawa. btw, 4 liters lang din pala ang required motor oil niya, compared sa 4d56 na 5.5 liters.

    Pros naman sa advie, mas tahimik nga ang engine nya compared sa crosswind, saka parang mas nagagandahan ko interior ng konti (crosswind kasi parang utilitarian talaga ang design). And parang mas matulin patakbuhin ang advie, based on my experience (advie kasi service namin sa opisina, crosswind naman ang personal car ko, and i drive them both).

    Yung crosswind ko pala is 300k kms na, so far no problem, kahit nga fuel pump and injectors di pa nabuksan, nagpalit ako ng clutch nung 240k, bumili ako ng orig kay walco sa banawe. Ang weakness lang nung akin ay radiator, which i believed talagang sakit ng sinaunang crosswind pero naayos naman na daw sa newer models.

    Suspension wise, pareho lang ang feel ko sa dalawa, pero sa loading capacity parang mahina ang advie.

    hTh.

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    A bit biased here..

    For me, crosswind sir, reliable talaga ang 4ja1, timing gear cya so no worries na magpapalit ka ng belt at regular mileage intervals, tapos ang maintenance nya lang halos ay change oil, oil filter and fuel filter, na kahit sa mga suking gas stations eh pwede pagawa. btw, 4 liters lang din pala ang required motor oil niya, compared sa 4d56 na 5.5 liters.

    Pros naman sa advie, mas tahimik nga ang engine nya compared sa crosswind, saka parang mas nagagandahan ko interior ng konti (crosswind kasi parang utilitarian talaga ang design). And parang mas matulin patakbuhin ang advie, based on my experience (advie kasi service namin sa opisina, crosswind naman ang personal car ko, and i drive them both).

    Yung crosswind ko pala is 300k kms na, so far no problem, kahit nga fuel pump and injectors di pa nabuksan, nagpalit ako ng clutch nung 240k, bumili ako ng orig kay walco sa banawe. Ang weakness lang nung akin ay radiator, which i believed talagang sakit ng sinaunang crosswind pero naayos naman na daw sa newer models.

    Suspension wise, pareho lang ang feel ko sa dalawa, pero sa loading capacity parang mahina ang advie.

    hTh.
    Wow 4 liters lang. Actually pag maganda pagkadrain ng oil sa 4d56, umaabot siya ng 6 liters. At ang ayaw ko sa design ng 4d56 yung alternator nasa ilalim. Sa 4ja1 parang nakita ko sa youtube nasa ibabaw.

    Sabi nga daw masmabilis tumakbo 4d56 kahit 10hp lamang ng xwind. Baka masmabigat xwind or sa gear ratios.

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    #52
    Quote Originally Posted by timtonymanu View Post
    A bit biased here..



    For me, crosswind sir, reliable talaga ang 4ja1, timing gear cya so no worries na magpapalit ka ng belt at regular mileage intervals, tapos ang maintenance nya lang halos ay change oil, oil filter and fuel filter, na kahit sa mga suking gas stations eh pwede pagawa. btw, 4 liters lang din pala ang required motor oil niya, compared sa 4d56 na 5.5 liters.

    Pros naman sa advie, mas tahimik nga ang engine nya compared sa crosswind, saka parang mas nagagandahan ko interior ng konti (crosswind kasi parang utilitarian talaga ang design). And parang mas matulin patakbuhin ang advie, based on my experience (advie kasi service namin sa opisina, crosswind naman ang personal car ko, and i drive them both).

    Yung crosswind ko pala is 300k kms na, so far no problem, kahit nga fuel pump and injectors di pa nabuksan, nagpalit ako ng clutch nung 240k, bumili ako ng orig kay walco sa banawe. Ang weakness lang nung akin ay radiator, which i believed talagang sakit ng sinaunang crosswind pero naayos naman na daw sa newer models.

    Suspension wise, pareho lang ang feel ko sa dalawa, pero sa loading capacity parang mahina ang advie.

    hTh.

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    A bit biased here..

    For me, crosswind sir, reliable talaga ang 4ja1, timing gear cya so no worries na magpapalit ka ng belt at regular mileage intervals, tapos ang maintenance nya lang halos ay change oil, oil filter and fuel filter, na kahit sa mga suking gas stations eh pwede pagawa. btw, 4 liters lang din pala ang required motor oil niya, compared sa 4d56 na 5.5 liters.

    Pros naman sa advie, mas tahimik nga ang engine nya compared sa crosswind, saka parang mas nagagandahan ko interior ng konti (crosswind kasi parang utilitarian talaga ang design). And parang mas matulin patakbuhin ang advie, based on my experience (advie kasi service namin sa opisina, crosswind naman ang personal car ko, and i drive them both).

    Yung crosswind ko pala is 300k kms na, so far no problem, kahit nga fuel pump and injectors di pa nabuksan, nagpalit ako ng clutch nung 240k, bumili ako ng orig kay walco sa banawe. Ang weakness lang nung akin ay radiator, which i believed talagang sakit ng sinaunang crosswind pero naayos naman na daw sa newer models.

    Suspension wise, pareho lang ang feel ko sa dalawa, pero sa loading capacity parang mahina ang advie.

    hTh.
    Nabasa ko nga din sa isuzu thread na may ilang owners nagleleak yung radiator after lumuma na. Malaki nababawas sa tubig on a daily basis?

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    #53
    Naka ilang beses na ako kasi nagpahinang ng radiator sir kaya na conclude ko na weakness nga to ng crosswind, the last time kasi na nagpa repair ako ng radiator visible na talaga yung leak ng tubig, nauubos yung reservour weekly.

    Regarding sa oil, actually pag maganda drain sabi ng "experts" sa isuzu forums eh 4.25 liters daw, but pag nagpa change oil ako laging 4 liters lang, almost full na cya kay di ko na dinadagdagan ng .25 liters. Yung alternator nya medyo nasa gitna naman, mataas cguro ng komti sa level ng bumper.

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    Naka ilang beses na ako kasi nagpahinang ng radiator sir kaya na conclude ko na weakness nga to ng crosswind, the last time kasi na nagpa repair ako ng radiator visible na talaga yung leak ng tubig, nauubos yung reservour weekly.

    Regarding sa oil, actually pag maganda drain sabi ng "experts" sa isuzu forums eh 4.25 liters daw, but pag nagpa change oil ako laging 4 liters lang, almost full na cya kay di ko na dinadagdagan ng .25 liters. Yung alternator nya medyo nasa gitna naman, mataas cguro ng komti sa level ng bumper.

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    #54
    I'd go for crosswind

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    #55
    Our Office namin has 12 adventure service vehicles. We started using them after we decided to replaced all our Avanzas. Medyo mahina ang Avanzas kung for business and araw-araw binabiyahe ng malayo so we decided to switch, specially since diesel ang adventure. We never considered the Xwind mainly because walang Dealer ang Isuzu near our office and not familiar with it.

    Unlike the the problematic Avanza's the adventure performed very well. Our 2 adventures purchased last 2010 are now over 160,000 kms pero no major breakdowns. In fact it still looks very new. Drives like new, paint looks like new.

    Many of our employees are excited because we dispose our vehicles at a very cheap employee price , ( 1/6 price of acquisition value, 4 years to pay at no interest) when they reached 6 years old. We have 2 adventures for disposal next year and employees are eagerly awaiting them.

    regular 5,000kms pms is also cheap at P1,800 and we replaced timing belts every 80,000kms at P8,000 including labor.

    I guess it is also very true that mechanics are very familiar with the 4D56 engine which i believe is a very old engine.

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    Our Office namin has 12 adventure service vehicles. We started using them after we decided to replaced all our Avanzas. Medyo mahina ang Avanzas kung for business and araw-araw binabiyahe ng malayo so we decided to switch, specially since diesel ang adventure. We never considered the Xwind mainly because walang Dealer ang Isuzu near our office and not familiar with it.

    Unlike the the problematic Avanza's the adventure performed very well. Our 2 adventures purchased last 2010 are now over 160,000 kms pero no major breakdowns. In fact it still looks very new. Drives like new, paint looks like new.

    Many of our employees are excited because we dispose our vehicles at a very cheap employee price , ( 1/6 price of acquisition value, 4 years to pay at no interest) when they reached 6 years old. We have 2 adventures for disposal next year and employees are eagerly awaiting them.

    regular 5,000kms pms is also cheap at P1,800 and we replaced timing belts every 80,000kms at P8,000 including labor.

    I guess it is also very true that mechanics are very familiar with the 4D56 engine which i believe is a very old engine.

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    #56
    Quote Originally Posted by monmendoza View Post
    Our Office namin has 12 adventure service vehicles. We started using them after we decided to replaced all our Avanzas. Medyo mahina ang Avanzas kung for business and araw-araw binabiyahe ng malayo so we decided to switch, specially since diesel ang adventure. We never considered the Xwind mainly because walang Dealer ang Isuzu near our office and not familiar with it.

    Unlike the the problematic Avanza's the adventure performed very well. Our 2 adventures purchased last 2010 are now over 160,000 kms pero no major breakdowns. In fact it still looks very new. Drives like new, paint looks like new.

    Many of our employees are excited because we dispose our vehicles at a very cheap employee price , ( 1/6 price of acquisition value, 4 years to pay at no interest) when they reached 6 years old. We have 2 adventures for disposal next year and employees are eagerly awaiting them.

    regular 5,000kms pms is also cheap at P1,800 and we replaced timing belts every 80,000kms at P8,000 including labor.

    I guess it is also very true that mechanics are very familiar with the 4D56 engine which i believe is a very old engine.
    sorry for OT. may I ask, ano ang naging problema ng avanza ninyo?

    and, hindi ba mausok ang adventure habang tumatagal?

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    #57
    Quote Originally Posted by monmendoza View Post
    Our Office namin has 12 adventure service vehicles. We started using them after we decided to replaced all our Avanzas. Medyo mahina ang Avanzas kung for business and araw-araw binabiyahe ng malayo so we decided to switch, specially since diesel ang adventure. We never considered the Xwind mainly because walang Dealer ang Isuzu near our office and not familiar with it.

    Unlike the the problematic Avanza's the adventure performed very well. Our 2 adventures purchased last 2010 are now over 160,000 kms pero no major breakdowns. In fact it still looks very new. Drives like new, paint looks like new.

    Many of our employees are excited because we dispose our vehicles at a very cheap employee price , ( 1/6 price of acquisition value, 4 years to pay at no interest) when they reached 6 years old. We have 2 adventures for disposal next year and employees are eagerly awaiting them.

    regular 5,000kms pms is also cheap at P1,800 and we replaced timing belts every 80,000kms at P8,000 including labor.

    I guess it is also very true that mechanics are very familiar with the 4D56 engine which i believe is a very old engine.

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    Our Office namin has 12 adventure service vehicles. We started using them after we decided to replaced all our Avanzas. Medyo mahina ang Avanzas kung for business and araw-araw binabiyahe ng malayo so we decided to switch, specially since diesel ang adventure. We never considered the Xwind mainly because walang Dealer ang Isuzu near our office and not familiar with it.

    Unlike the the problematic Avanza's the adventure performed very well. Our 2 adventures purchased last 2010 are now over 160,000 kms pero no major breakdowns. In fact it still looks very new. Drives like new, paint looks like new.

    Many of our employees are excited because we dispose our vehicles at a very cheap employee price , ( 1/6 price of acquisition value, 4 years to pay at no interest) when they reached 6 years old. We have 2 adventures for disposal next year and employees are eagerly awaiting them.

    regular 5,000kms pms is also cheap at P1,800 and we replaced timing belts every 80,000kms at P8,000 including labor.

    I guess it is also very true that mechanics are very familiar with the 4D56 engine which i believe is a very old engine.
    Yes its true. Cheap maintenance. Di rin maarte sa diesel. Mausok pag binibirit. Pero kung dahan dahan lamg acceleration wala namang usok. Madadagdagan lang ang cost ng maintenance pag palit ng fuel filter (usually once a year lang ang palit) at change ng timing belt which happen pag reach ng 90k km.

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    #58
    Iyong Avanza sa office, we used to have 10 units. all bought brand new. 4 units required a major overhaul in less than 4 years. Many of our units have perennial wheel bearing problems. The radiator fans also was a perenial problem and so with the rear aircon fan.

    I think it is the way typical drivers used the vehicle. I have observed our drivers used the Avanzas. Birit sa NLEX usually reaching 110-120kph. Sustained iyon, at that speed mataas na ang rpm. iirc mga nasa 3,500-4,000 rpm na iyon. If you do this everyday, madaling masira ang sasakyan. Kaya advice ko sa mga friends ko, for city driving or personal use, okay ang Avanza malamang pero hinde siya uubra kung pang negosyo and hinde personally driven ang sasakyan.

    I think this is also the reason why, hinde na popular ang Avanzas para gawing taxi, dati ang daming Avanzas pero ngayon konti nalang kasi maraming taxi drivers ang nagrereklamo.

    Regarding the Adventure, so far hinde pa naman mausok ang mga sasakyan namin. Probably regular PMS helps.

    Quote Originally Posted by myas110 View Post
    sorry for OT. may I ask, ano ang naging problema ng avanza ninyo?
    and, hindi ba mausok ang adventure habang tumatagal?
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    Iyong Avanza sa office, we used to have 10 units. all bought brand new. 4 units required a major overhaul in less than 4 years. Many of our units have perennial wheel bearing problems. The radiator fans also was a perenial problem and so with the rear aircon fan.

    I think it is the way typical drivers used the vehicle. I have observed our drivers used the Avanzas. Birit sa NLEX usually reaching 110-120kph. Sustained iyon, at that speed mataas na ang rpm. iirc mga nasa 3,500-4,000 rpm na iyon. If you do this everyday, madaling masira ang sasakyan. Kaya advice ko sa mga friends ko, for city driving or personal use, okay ang Avanza malamang pero hinde siya uubra kung pang negosyo and hinde personally driven ang sasakyan.

    I think this is also the reason why, hinde na popular ang Avanzas para gawing taxi, dati ang daming Avanzas pero ngayon konti nalang kasi maraming taxi drivers ang nagrereklamo.

    Regarding the Adventure, so far hinde pa naman mausok ang mga sasakyan namin. Probably regular PMS helps.

    Quote Originally Posted by myas110 View Post
    sorry for OT. may I ask, ano ang naging problema ng avanza ninyo?
    and, hindi ba mausok ang adventure habang tumatagal?

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