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May 1st, 2015 05:18 PM #31
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May 1st, 2015 05:33 PM #32
The Corolla's "soft" settings help it get good braking. It's a combination of a suspension that allows just enough brake dive to put more weight on the front tires and tires with enough sidewall flex to put more rubber down under braking. Over the past few years of Car of the Year testing, I've found the Corolla's brakes to be excellent.
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Those 0-100 times are likely due to the "soft" launch. The Corolla 2.0 and Focus 2.0 can do 0-100 in about nine seconds plus.
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Fuel economy figures are weird... and probably non-comparable. While the Focus can conceivably do 20 km/l on the highway, my experience suggests the Sylphy should top it... unless they're running them all at 100 km/h, and then it'll be a matter of who's got the best gearing and power at that point.
I take issue with the absolute braking numbers, as well. A Corolla can brake (given ideal conditions) from 100 km/h in about 35 meters.
At 24 meters, that's going from 100 to 0 km/h in five meters less than a McLaren P1, which comes on road-legal R-Compound tires.
Completely impossible on standard road rubber.
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Did they say in the test what performance measuring device they were using? If those times are what they really recorded, then it wasn't a very good one.
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If you're looking for something that will hit 100 for sure in under 10 seconds under a million pesos, there's only one car: The Hyundai Accent 1.5 MT diesel. Although to get that ten second time, you need to launch in second gear.
For gasoline cars, you're looking at maybe a Fiesta EcoBoost (though it's a bit soft off the line) or possibly an MT Elantra... the Corolla has always been a light car, so the 1.6 might get there under 11 seconds...but I wouldn't put stock in Youtube videos... stock speedometers are way off.
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May 1st, 2015 05:48 PM #33
If only you can wait for the Mazda3 manual transmission variant. When the sales dip, they will bring it in. Oh, how about the new Mazda 2 MT?
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May 1st, 2015 06:29 PM #34
ASX GLS is 1.149M, I was offered a 90k discount so it's still 1.060M, which is 200k above my budget. Not a big fan of the ASX - I've taken it out of town and it was just a so-so SUV, so I don't see the additional 200k as worth it.
Secondhand isn't an option for me as my car plan benefit requires the vehicle to be brand new. I'd have wanted a 2011 Mz6 if used cars were allowed...
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May 1st, 2015 06:44 PM #35
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May 1st, 2015 06:51 PM #36
I've gone from 160-0 on our old 2.0V Altis in an emergency braking situation and since then I've always found the brakes of the Altis to be sufficient. Not sure about the disc/drum combo of the G, but it shouldn't be that far off.
Fuel economy figures are weird... and probably non-comparable. While the Focus can conceivably do 20 km/l on the highway, my experience suggests the Sylphy should top it... unless they're running them all at 100 km/h, and then it'll be a matter of who's got the best gearing and power at that point.
I take issue with the absolute braking numbers, as well. A Corolla can brake (given ideal conditions) from 100 km/h in about 35 meters.
At 24 meters, that's going from 100 to 0 km/h in five meters less than a McLaren P1, which comes on road-legal R-Compound tires.
Completely impossible on standard road rubber.
Did they say in the test what performance measuring device they were using? If those times are what they really recorded, then it wasn't a very good one.
If you're looking for something that will hit 100 for sure in under 10 seconds under a million pesos, there's only one car: The Hyundai Accent 1.5 MT diesel. Although to get that ten second time, you need to launch in second gear.
For gasoline cars, you're looking at maybe a Fiesta EcoBoost (though it's a bit soft off the line) or possibly an MT Elantra... the Corolla has always been a light car, so the 1.6 might get there under 11 seconds...but I wouldn't put stock in Youtube videos... stock speedometers are way off.
The EcoBoost is again another great motor (for me, the best one under 1M), and also the best handling subcompact by far. But again, it's an expensive subcompact that looks more apt with a college freshman. Sure, Clarkson squeezed 3 army guys, but it was definitely a tight affair.
I didn't think the Elantra 1.6 was a quick car. I've driven the 1.8 and that didn't feel anything close to the FD's R18. You reckon that a manual 1.6 Elantra's quicker than the Altis 1.6 MT? It's about 30 kg heavier than the Altis, and reaches peak power and torque later. Possible though that the Elantra's 6MT has better gearing than the Altis' 6MT, but I've yet to try the MT Elantra.
I don't use YouTube vids as absolute truths, although comparing 1 vid to another (i.e. 2 comparisons based on speedometers that are off by roughly the same percentage anyway) helps a bit in getting a general idea of the car's performance. If the C! comparo is of any worth though, then it seems to validate the notion that the 1.6 Altis is a pretty peppy car.
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May 1st, 2015 06:57 PM #37
I asked 3 different dealerships and they all said that there won't be a manual Mz3. For the past 10 years, they haven't launched a manual Mz3, and I don't think they'll launch one anytime soon.
The Mz2 isn't gonna be launched until July, and the car is so damn tiny, with space comparable only to a Wigo. The MT will most likely be a base model at around 700k. As much as possible I'd like to maximize my limit of 850k, so the range I'm looking at is around 850-950k.
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May 1st, 2015 07:13 PM #38
I've driven against older Altises on track... and they are surprisingly quick. Good chassis, good engine... rubbish steering, but steering feel doesn't make lap times. The new Altis seems a bit heavier.
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The Elantra 1.6 MT was pretty decent, last I drove it... what model did they have for the comparo?
Looking at my files:
Elantra 1.6 AT: 11.6 0-100
Elantra 1.6 MT: 11.2 0-100...
These figures are done with an optimum launch, but with 2 people on board. So if it's just solo, I wager about 10.7 for the MT.
I wasn't the stats keeper when we last had a Corolla 1.6 MT at COTY. We last had a Corolla 1.6 CVT two years ago, though... and that did 100 in 12.6 seconds... pretty slow... so I doubt the new Corolla 1.6 will be anywhere near 10 seconds. (It's a heavier car now).
Shame about the Civics... the FD was damn quick with the R18 and a manual tranny... but the new ones are... slow. Off-the-line, the new transmissions lag, and power delivery feels so soft...
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Looking at the figures, there's no way those are V-Box figures for braking... it's possible they're using some sort of mobile app or an accelerometer-based tester... and those can easily miss the start of the deceleration period.
Most high-performance road cars can only brake from 100 km/h in about 35-36 meters. That's about as good as it gets with high performance street rubber. Our best braking tests at COTY were at Clark, where the braking zones were well rubbered in.
To get less than 35-36 meters, you will need warm (high performance) tires and brakes that haven't been heated up yet... do one hard braking too many and braking distances tend to increase by two or three meters... or more.Last edited by niky; May 1st, 2015 at 07:18 PM.
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May 1st, 2015 07:27 PM #39
The new Altis is about 40 kg heavier than the old one, although the pre-facelifted older Altises didn't have the more powerful 1ZR Dual VVTi engine.
I have the same observations as you on the Altis. Steering sucks big time, but the chassis takes corners quite solidly for what's supposed to be a Camry-lite.
The Elantra 1.6 MT was pretty decent, last I drove it... what model did they have for the comparo?
Looking at my files:
Elantra 1.6 AT: 11.6 0-100
Elantra 1.6 MT: 11.2 0-100...
These figures are done with an optimum launch, but with 2 people on board. So if it's just solo, I wager about 10.7 for the MT.
I wasn't the stats keeper when we last had a Corolla 1.6 MT at COTY. We last had a Corolla 1.6 CVT two years ago, though... and that did 100 in 12.6 seconds... pretty slow... so I doubt the new Corolla 1.6 will be anywhere near 10 seconds. (It's a heavier car now).
That could explain the 12-second 0-100 time.
Shame about the Civics... the FD was damn quick with the R18 and a manual tranny... but the new ones are... slow. Off-the-line, the new transmissions lag, and power delivery feels so soft...
Looking at the figures, there's no way those are V-Box figures for braking... it's possible they're using some sort of mobile app or an accelerometer-based tester... and those can easily miss the start of the deceleration period.
Most high-performance road cars can only brake from 100 km/h in about 35-36 meters. That's about as good as it gets with high performance street rubber. Our best braking tests at COTY were at Clark, where the braking zones were well rubbered in.
To get less than 35-36 meters, you will need warm (high performance) tires and brakes that haven't been heated up yet... do one hard braking too many and braking distances tend to increase by two or three meters... or more.
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May 1st, 2015 07:57 PM #40
The Fiesta Ecoboost may look small but it's heavy for a subcompact. It is around 1100kg and a tad heavier than the City or Jazz. It also has a wider wheel track than the City or Jazz. The power and torque though is better than most 1.6L compacts. Despite its cramped rear, it compensates such things with its great handling and grip. Pure stock, it can do 0-100kmh in between 9-10 seconds, not sure though how much of an improvement if you turn off the Traction Control (yes, you can turn it off from its dashboard menu). It might feel slow from a stop but once you floor that pedal and reach overboost (4500-5000rpm, additional 30Nm torque), you can hear the tires chirp and it just goes. Steering feel is great despite not being electric. Top speed is rated at 190kmh. If you feel that you still need more power, a piggyback chip is available to tune it to 150+hp.
Compared to the Altis, it does look like a car for yuppies just starting with their first jobs. The Altis is a better family car. Same goes with the Lancer GT-A. However, if you want a personal daily go-kart with a small engine that could, then you'll be happy with the Fiesta Ecoboost.Last edited by Egan101; May 1st, 2015 at 08:00 PM.
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