2012 Honda Cr-V EX 2.4 or 2012 Kia Sportage Premium diesel?

**jut703** · July 4th, 2012 11:00 PM

Paper horsepower specs don't mean much, lalo na kung ganyan kalapit yung figures (177 vs 185) tapos yung isa gas habang yung isa turbo diesel.

Even the figure that says where peak RPM is reached isn't really an indicator of how peaky or how linear the powerband of a car is.

It's pretty hard to compare horsepower figures based on paper specs alone, lalo na kung magkaibang manufacturer. Take for example the City 1.3S and the Vios 1.3J/E/G. The City has 15 more horses than the Vios, but almost anyone who's driven both would agree with me that they feel roughly as powerful as each other in normal conditions.

In the end though, as has been said, nasa driver yan. This usually holds true unless nasa 150 HP pataas na yung power difference ng dalawa - siyempre kahit mas magaling kang driver kung naka-Picanto ka tapos nakipaghabulan ka sa Genesis Coupe sa highway, iwan ka (unless sobrang layo din ng skill level ng dalawang driver, or hindi naman nakikipaghabulan yung GC haha).

**GTi** · July 4th, 2012 11:23 PM

Very well said, mga bro. Besides, in Philippine roads, any car that has 150hp and above can already be considered fast enough, and around 200hp, much more than enough.

IMHO, assuming that there are evenly matched drivers in both cars, the CRV will have a hard time catching up with the Sportage, especially from standstill, what with the lack of torque and peak output reached at very, very high rpm. And while it is trying to play catch up, it activates the VTEC performance cam which in turn burns huge amounts of expensive gasoline fuel.

Ang maganda talaga sa Sportage is the performance without the guilt. You can speed all you want without having to worry about burning through your whole tank. And even if you did, it'll take only 2000 petot to fill, and you would've been far, far away already...

**eido** · July 5th, 2012 03:45 AM

Ibig nyo sabihin pag bumibili kayo kotse hindi nyo sinisilip yung power / torque ng bibilin nyo aside from the features kse hindi naman pwede mag pa takbo ng mabilis dito sa pinas blah blah blah it's not built for speed blah blah it's the driver? Weird pala ako hehe tama pala teacher ko

Nung pumili kami ng kotse everest vs santa fe. Nung na test drive namin Santa fe yun na kinuha namin kse ang lakas ng torque compared to everest + the features syempre

Ano mas mabilis? Crv o sportage? e hindi naman yan sports car, not built for speed
Ano mas masarap? Regular yum o cheese burger? E hindi naman yan expensive seafood, yun ang masarap
Ano masarap orange o apple? Lechon syempre

Seriously that's what I get from some of you guys. I'm going back to my corner now

**jut703** · July 5th, 2012 07:54 AM

Sinong nagsasabing hindi namin sinisilip yung power/torque ng kotseng tinitingnan namin?

**foresterx** · July 5th, 2012 08:28 AM

syempre tinitingnan pa din power and torque but not to compare it if it's faster than the other car. pag tumitingin ako ng mga ganyan auto tinitingnan ko if the power is enough for the car meaning if it won't have a problem going up hill or over taking when you want to not if it can beat the other car on a drag race. both cars have the power and torque to do just both so i would test drive it and see which is more comfortable and has the better handling.

**niky** · July 5th, 2012 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Walter

Horsepower sells cars, Torque wins races.

Peak Horsepower sells cars. Average Horsepower wins races. Peak Torque doesn't do nothing but break drive axles.

Two cars with the same torque delivered at different rpms will have different horsepower ratings. The one with the higher horsepower rating will be better able to deliver torque to the ground through the gears, and will give you much better performance.

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In this case, the extra HP of the CR-V will not be felt till you get to the high end of the rev range... where you hardly ever drive. The Sportage makes more horsepower from 2000-4000 rpm, where you always drive. Which means you will be better able to enjoy the Sportage's horsepower in daily driving than the CR-V's.

For example:

Not shocking to anyone that the Sportage puts more power to the ground than the CR-V in any gear at any speed below 100 km/h, and is still close above it. Ignore the area above 220 km/h, the CR-V doesn't have enough horsepower to pull in those areas, anyway.

So... torque wins, right? Not really. The CR-V is hampered by being geared for economy. If it were geared to hit the same speeds at redline as the Sportage...

The Sportage is slightly faster at the start of each gear, because it has higher horsepower there. The CR-V is slightly faster at the end of each gear, because it has higher horsepower there. In this case, no, torque doesn't really win the race at all. Horsepower makes it even and more revs wins it... because the CR-V can stay in gear longer than the Sportage can.

What's important to take away here is that the Sportage has better gearing and makes 110-150 horsepower at 2000-3000 rpm, where the CR-V will be making just 40-50 horsepower. That matters in day-to-day driving.

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*Note: Power graphs generated using quoted power values. Dip in CR-V graph is due to expected power dip due to VTEC kicking in, yo.

*Note2: These graphs assume both cars are on stock 215/70R16 Tires. Smaller tires will increase wheel torque.

**eido** · July 5th, 2012 10:33 AM

^hindi kinaya ng utak ko yun a hehe. If the crv is geared for economy mas matipid sya sa same displacement na car not considering the weight but just the egine alone?

**niky** · July 5th, 2012 11:33 AM

The graph is for force at the ground. How much force each car can apply to the ground represents how fast they can accelerate at that speed.

The CR-V is geared for economy... meaning that it's doing 100 km/h at under 2000 rpm in 5th gear. But the Sportage is also doing 100 km/h at under 2000 rpm in 6th gear. The difference is the Sportage makes around 100+ hp at 2000 rpm, so it can cruise easily at that speed... whereas the CR-V likely makes only 40-50 hp... which means that if you need to go faster to overtake, it's likely the transmission will have to shift down. It's only in 3rd gear that the CR-V has as much power at 100 km/h as the Sportage...