Honda City idsi 06-07 vs Altis 05-07 9th Gen

**Vodka** · October 5th, 2020 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by nicolo

Thank you sa inyong lahat sirs.

Yung interior size I think is not that much of a concern for us. Maliliit lang kasi kami husband and wife plus my teenager kid and a 9 year old. Previous gamit namin is Vios both gen 1 and 2 ok naman sa min.

Gusto ko sanang i-try yung Honda kung sa power vs altis eh di naman nagkakalayo. Concern ko lang kung mag Honda ako either yung City idsi or Civic '05 (7th gen?) is yung maintenance.

Totoo ba na hindi pwede ang ibang fluids sa Honda? and if so sa casa lang ba ng Honda pwedeng bumili ng fluids?

Thanks!

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you can use non-proprietary engine oil, MTF, brake/clutch fluid. cooling system uses oat coolant (honda type2) the original fill lasts 10yrs, then replace every 5yrs.

17Sphynx17,

yep the 06 city has ULT seats. afaik they removed it in 08

**tarzegetakizerd** · October 5th, 2020 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by nicolo

Ah ok sir. Sa casa lang din pwede mabili? And ATF pang matic di ba? Kung manual?

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Sa casa sure ka genuine. 3 litro lang yun. yung MTF (manual transmission fluid) 2 litro lang. mura lang yun tapos di naman every year (unless 40k km per year ka).

Hindi ka naman siguro kukuha ng CVT na IDSI. hehehe

**Vodka** · October 5th, 2020 03:02 PM

CVT uses CVTF, not atf

honda mtf isn't special it's just a 75w80, so use any GL-4 75w80. i replace mine every 6yrs so yeah cost isn't very relevant for something you change every 6yrs

**tarzegetakizerd** · October 5th, 2020 03:14 PM

Didn't say anything about it having ATF, though. I mentioned ATF because the 7th gen Civic had AT.

I just mentioned na hindi naman siguro siya kukuha ng CVT, kasi hindi ko alam values ng CVT Fluid volume. Tsaka wala akong info/exp

**17Sphynx17** · October 5th, 2020 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Vodka

you can use non-proprietary engine oil, MTF, brake/clutch fluid. cooling system uses oat coolant (honda type2) the original fill lasts 10yrs, then replace every 5yrs.

17Sphynx17,

yep the 06 city has ULT seats. afaik they removed it in 08

Oh, so naabutan yung last year ng generation na yun yung ULT feature removal. hehe! Kaya parang wala ako naalala na meron way to tumble the back seats to passthrough to the trunk. Hehe!

Originally Posted by nicolo

Thank you sa inyong lahat sirs.

Yung interior size I think is not that much of a concern for us. Maliliit lang kasi kami husband and wife plus my teenager kid and a 9 year old. Previous gamit namin is Vios both gen 1 and 2 ok naman sa min.

Gusto ko sanang i-try yung Honda kung sa power vs altis eh di naman nagkakalayo. Concern ko lang kung mag Honda ako either yung City idsi or Civic '05 (7th gen?) is yung maintenance.

Nagkaproblem ba sa Vios Gen 2 unit na gamit ninyo? Parang same production year alala ko ito with the i-Dsi City and transitioning to VTEC na model ng City (starting late 2008 onwards na wala na yung idsi). Medyo sure ako na late 2008 lumabas yung sunud na generation na VTEC na lang yung City kasi yung sa amin, isa sa mga last unit ng generation na yun na for sale. Buti may nakuha pa at pilit pa nun tinutulak sa amin na kunin yung lalaunch in a week or two nung panahon na yun. Mabilis lang naman humindi kasi yung bagong "same tier" na City nun additional 100k php SRP launch price nila (660k vs 760k - tandang tanda ko pa ito hehe!). So madali lang humindi. haha!

Kasi kung sa power, yung 1.5 Vios Gen 1 and 2, malakas na yun and matipid din. Yun lang alala ko feeling sa loob a little more "cramped" compared to the City (sa naalala ko, pero di naman nalalayo). Pero kung yung 1.3 Vios yun, mas responsive di hamak yung i-Dsi ng City.

Kasi kung in terms of power, getting to higher speed with the City will mean higher revs compared to the Altis with the 1.6 VVti (as I mentioned earlier). Going higher than 100kph sa i-Dsi, medyo hirap na umakyat yung karayom sa speedo sa CVT ko pero di ko naman niredline, 100kph asa 2500rpm lang ako to 2750rpm (if I recall correctly nung dinadala ko pa sa highway pa yung City. Pero maingay na yung makina sa loob ng kotse, so hindi lang "pleasant" kung pipigain pa para sa akin.

**Vodka** · October 5th, 2020 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by 17Sphynx17

Oh, so naabutan yung last year ng generation na yun yung ULT feature removal. hehe! Kaya parang wala ako naalala na meron way to tumble the back seats to passthrough to the trunk. Hehe!

Nagkaproblem ba sa Vios Gen 2 unit na gamit ninyo? Parang same production year alala ko ito with the i-Dsi City and transitioning to VTEC na model ng City (starting late 2008 onwards na wala na yung idsi). Medyo sure ako na late 2008 lumabas yung sunud na generation na VTEC na lang yung City kasi yung sa amin, isa sa mga last unit ng generation na yun na for sale. Buti may nakuha pa at pilit pa nun tinutulak sa amin na kunin yung lalaunch in a week or two nung panahon na yun. Mabilis lang naman humindi kasi yung bagong "same tier" na City nun additional 100k php SRP launch price nila (660k vs 760k - tandang tanda ko pa ito hehe!). So madali lang humindi. haha!

Kasi kung sa power, yung 1.5 Vios Gen 1 and 2, malakas na yun and matipid din. Yun lang alala ko feeling sa loob a little more "cramped" compared to the City (sa naalala ko, pero di naman nalalayo). Pero kung yung 1.3 Vios yun, mas responsive di hamak yung i-Dsi ng City.

Kasi kung in terms of power, getting to higher speed with the City will mean higher revs compared to the Altis with the 1.6 VVti (as I mentioned earlier). Going higher than 100kph sa i-Dsi, medyo hirap na umakyat yung karayom sa speedo sa CVT ko pero di ko naman niredline, 100kph asa 2500rpm lang ako to 2750rpm (if I recall correctly nung dinadala ko pa sa highway pa yung City. Pero maingay na yung makina sa loob ng kotse, so hindi lang "pleasant" kung pipigain pa para sa akin.

there was one time we had to haul a lot of boxes of printers. ULT seats collapsed into the floor accommodated all of them. no way they would fit in a normal car. afaik only the totl altis even had any kind of folding seats and it was just the folding backrest type, not even close to the versatility of ULT

as for power the idsi is a weird engine. 8 sparks, 8 valves so torque comes early you could do all your driving under 2000rpm

so yeah you could drive it very economically. but 8 valves means it can't breathe well so it kinda sucks at high RPM, but then again you don't need to rev this engine at all. max torque is at just 2800 rpm. so 1st gear at 2800rpm lets you climb all the steepest roads

on the highway it's not so bad either, i've taken it to 160kph

**nicolo** · October 5th, 2020 06:58 PM

Maraming-maraming salamat ulit mga sirs.

So pag manual pala hindi naman kailangang Honda transmission fluid.

Bale so tatlo na lang pagpipilian ko. City na iDsi, Altis 9th gen, Civic 7th gen (ito yung ES, eagle eye or Dimension na nakikita ko sa mga ad tama po ba)

Bale matter of odo na lang ang labanan nila.

Yung sa Civic 7th gen pala wala akong alam. Ano-ano po ba yung variants nila?

Thanks ulit mga sirs.

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**otomobil** · November 5th, 2020 06:06 AM

[QUOTE=nicolo;3207146]Ah ok sir. Sa casa lang din pwede mabili? And ATF pang matic di ba? Kung manual?
Gusto ko sanang i-try yung Honda kung sa power vs altis eh di naman nagkakalayo. Concern ko lang kung mag Honda ako either yung City idsi or Civic '05 (7th gen?) is yung maintenance.

Totoo ba na hindi pwede ang ibang fluids sa Honda? and if so sa casa lang ba ng Honda pwedeng bumili ng fluids?

**tarzegetakizerd** · November 5th, 2020 09:08 AM

[QUOTE=otomobil;3215010]

Originally Posted by nicolo

Ah ok sir. Sa casa lang din pwede mabili? And ATF pang matic di ba? Kung manual?
Gusto ko sanang i-try yung Honda kung sa power vs altis eh di naman nagkakalayo. Concern ko lang kung mag Honda ako either yung City idsi or Civic '05 (7th gen?) is yung maintenance.

Totoo ba na hindi pwede ang ibang fluids sa Honda? and if so sa casa lang ba ng Honda pwedeng bumili ng fluids?

ATF lang alam kong maarte. Iba naman gamit kong brand sa engine oil. Hindi ko lang sure sa MTF (Manual transmission fluid) or sa Powersteering Fluid (EPS kasi ako)

**Egan101** · November 5th, 2020 09:21 AM

[QUOTE=otomobil;3215010]

Originally Posted by nicolo

Ah ok sir. Sa casa lang din pwede mabili? And ATF pang matic di ba? Kung manual?
Gusto ko sanang i-try yung Honda kung sa power vs altis eh di naman nagkakalayo. Concern ko lang kung mag Honda ako either yung City idsi or Civic '05 (7th gen?) is yung maintenance.

Totoo ba na hindi pwede ang ibang fluids sa Honda? and if so sa casa lang ba ng Honda pwedeng bumili ng fluids?

I would look at the Civic FD (2006-2011) instead of those two cars you mentioned.

For Honda, better stick with their ATF and PSF. Dami na horror stories of people not using such fluids and it caused a nightmare of repairs for their old Hondas. Mayrun naman outside shops nagbebenta ng Honda fluids.

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