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    #31
    Quote Originally Posted by mazdamazda
    I guess you should also call to boycott PLDT then and just use Bayantel?
    I had my PLDT cut and subscribe to Bayantel. Mas mura kasi.

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    #32
    *sigh* hindi ganyan, anak.. (just like an adult admonishing a kid hehehe)

    sige, kung gayon, let's boycott Smart and Globe as well para bumaba na din ang rates nila...

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    #33
    more often than not shortsighted people resort to boycott not thinking about long term effects.

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    #34
    it won't work. review your economics please. :D

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    #35
    Quote Originally Posted by leinahtan
    PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE
    P20.00/LITER RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN
    REALLY WORK.
    even if the whole philippine nation would stop using oil for a year (gasoline and diesel), world oil prices would NOT move down a bit......

    P20/liter would only happen if NYMEX lightsweet crude oil would be priced at $42/barrel.......today, NYMEX lightsweet crude oil is trading at $66/barrel....

    yeessshhh.....what a lame/moronic marketing trick by petron/small independent oil importers.....the Robinson "Snake child" came to my mind.....ano ba yan di na naubos ang crab mentality dito!
    Last edited by moneywhiz; September 23rd, 2005 at 10:03 PM.

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    #36
    Quote Originally Posted by larshell
    If you want BIG DISCOUNT apply Shell Citibank 4% rebate walang sinabi 2% ng petron he he he he... Habang may Buhay May pag-asa
    MALAYO ANG MARARATING...
    4% ba ang rebate ng Shell Citibank, diba pareho lang silang 2%?

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    #37
    Quote Originally Posted by falken
    4% ba ang rebate ng Shell Citibank, diba pareho lang silang 2%?

    Yup 4% This is the new promo of Citybank and Shell.

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    #38
    Another approach:


    Recommended approach to strategize our buying patterns to cope up with continued price increases given a static pay ....


    I think this makes a lot of sense ... although it seems that Filipinos have already gotten used to the weekly price increase so much that it's becoming a non-event already ... a boycott sounds too drastic, but when push comes to shove, why not?

    A man eats two eggs each morning for breakfast. When he goes to the
    grocery store he pays 60 cents a dozen. Since a dozen eggs won't last
    a week he normally buys two dozens at a time.

    One day while buying eggs he notices that the price has risen to 72
    cents. The next time he buys groceries, eggs are 76 cents a dozen.
    When asked to explain the price of eggs the store owner says, "the
    price has gone up and I have to raise my price accordingly".

    This store buys 100 dozen eggs a day. I checked around for a better
    price and all the distributors have raised their prices. The
    distributors have begun to buy from the huge egg farms. The small egg
    farms have been driven out of business.

    The huge egg farms sells 100,000 dozen eggs a day to distributors.
    With no competition, they can set the price as they see fit. The
    distributors then have to raise their prices to the grocery stores.
    And on and on and on. As the man kept buying eggs the price kept
    going up. He saw the big egg trucks delivering 100 dozen eggs each
    day. Nothing changed there.

    He checked out the huge egg farms and found they were selling 100,000
    dozen eggs to the distributors daily. Nothing had changed but the
    price of eggs.

    Then week before Thanksgiving the price of eggs shot up to $1.00 a
    dozen. Again he asked the grocery owner why and was told, "cakes and
    baking for the holiday". The huge egg farmers know there will be a
    lot of baking going on

    and more eggs will be used. Hence, the price of eggs goes up. Expect
    the same thing at Christmas and other times when family cooking and
    baking happens.

    This pattern continues until the price of eggs is 2.00 a dozen. The
    man says,"there must be something we can do about the price of eggs".
    He starts talking to all the people in his town and they decide to
    stop buying eggs. This didn't work because everyone needed eggs.
    Finally, the man suggested only buying what you need.

    He ate 2 eggs a day. On the way home from work he would stop at the
    grocery and buy two eggs. Everyone in town started buying 2 or 3 eggs
    a day.

    The grocery store owner began complaining that he had too many eggs
    in his cooler. He told the distributor that he didn't need any eggs.
    Maybe wouldn't need any all week.

    The distributor had eggs piling up at his warehouse. He told the huge
    egg farms that he didn't have any room for eggs would not need any
    for at least two weeks.

    At the egg farm, the chickens just kept on laying eggs.

    To relieve the pressure, the huge egg farm told the distributor that
    they could buy the eggs at a lower price. The distributor said, " I
    don't have the room for the %$&^*&% eggs even if they were free".

    The distributor told the grocery store owner that he would lower the
    price of the eggs if the store would start buying again. The grocery
    store owner said, "I don't have room for more eggs. The customers are
    only buy 2 or 3 eggs at a time". "Now if you were to drop the price
    of eggs back down to the original price, the customers would start
    buying by the dozen again".

    The distributors sent that proposal to the huge egg farmers. They
    liked the price they were getting for their eggs but, them chickens
    just kept on laying.

    Finally, the egg farmers lowered the price of their eggs. But only a
    few cents. The customers still bought 2 or 3 eggs at a time. They
    said, "when the price of eggs gets down to where it was before, we
    will start buying by the dozen."

    Slowly the price of eggs started dropping. The distributors had to
    slash their prices to make room for the eggs coming from the egg
    farmers. The egg farmers cut their prices because the distributors
    wouldn't buy at a higher price than they were selling eggs for.
    Anyway, they had full warehouses and wouldn't need eggs for quite a
    while.

    And them chickens kept on laying.

    Eventually, the egg farmers cut their prices because they were
    throwing away eggs they couldn't sell. The distributors started
    buying again because the eggs were priced to where the stores could
    afford to sell them at the lower price. And the customers start
    buying by the dozen again.

    Now, transpose this analogy to the gasoline industry. What if
    everyone only bought $10.00 worth of gas each time they pulled to the
    pump. The dealers' tanks would stay semi full all the time. The
    dealers wouldn't have room for the gas coming from the huge tank
    farms. The tank farms wouldn't have room for the gas coming from the
    refining plants. And the refining plants wouldn't have room for the
    oil being off loaded from the huge tankers coming from the Middle
    East.

    Just $10.00 each time you buy gas. Don't fill it up. You may have to
    stop for gas twice a week but, the price should come down. Think
    about it.

    As an added note ...

    When I buy $10.00 worth of gas, that leaves my tank a little under
    half full. The way prices are jumping around, you can buy gas for
    $2.65 a gallon and then the next morning it can be $2.15. If
    you have your tank full of $2.65 gas you don't have room for the
    $2.15 gas. You might not understand the economics of only buying two
    eggs at a time but, you can't buy cheaper gas if your tank is full of
    the high priced stuff.

    Also, don't buy anything else at the gas station, don't give them any
    more of your hard earned money than what you spend on gas, until the
    prices come down.

    Everyone should read this and send it on!

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    #39
    That still wouldn't work... you'll only hurt the local refiner / distributors here but you won't hit the energy traders (who are the ones driving up the prices).

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    #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Psalm136:2
    Hinding-hindi po malulugi ang mga big oil players, nor we can force them to lower their prices. All have been said above.

    Low-cost alternative energy + force the government to support it. Yan po ang sagot.
    I hate to burst your bubble, but there's no such thing as "Low cost alternative energy". That's exactly why we rely on foreign oil as an energy resource. Think about it, why are we still using something that's as dirty and inefficient as oil? Because it's cheap!

    Sure, its getting more expensive, but:

    -Hydrogen cars are still a pipe dream.
    -The only reason LPG is cheap is because of lower taxation, its less practical to carry around and actually less efficient in a car.
    -Ethanol and biodiesel are actually more expensive (if you take into account how much faster it is to use up than stuff than it is to grow!). They're hardly solutions, mostly stopgap measures. Think about it, where in the world will Gordon get the 3.7 billion liters of ethanol?! The proponents keep mentioning how successful Brazil is with it. Last time I checked Brazil is the 5th largest country in the world, and one that has lots of flat land too along with a very favorable climate. Remember, just because you can grow it in your backyard doesn't mean it's the solution.
    -Natural gas is less efficient and practical than regular gas and diesel. The only reason it should be cheaper is because we have lots of the stuff. I have nothing against that, but do you think in 20-40 years we still have lots of it? Oh well by then other alternatives to fossil fuel will have been economically viable anyway.
    -Hybrids are basically the same inefficient internal combustion-powered cars with some electric motors to make them slightly more efficient in traffic. A gasoline engined hybrid would consume the same amount of fuel as a regular gasoline powered car and more than a comparably sized diesel one, (if you saw Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear driving the Prius and the diesel Lupo) crusing down the highway.
    -Electric cars are impractical, and they rely mostly on fossil-fuel run power plants which defeats the purpose.
    -Speaking of power plants, the alternatives have their distinct disadvantages. Nuclear power plants require very high capital (and we can't just move BNPP to Palawan where it's safe to operate or something), and renewable energies such as geothermal, hydro, wind and solar are more expensive per unit of energy output. And oh, output, geo, hydro, wind and solar are very inconsistent in their output because of the unpredictable nature of the earth.

    There are mainly two reasons for moving away from oil to alternative energies:

    -Oil becomes too expensive and the more expensive alternative energies become relatively cheaper. This is the most likely scenario.
    -The alternative energies, with the help of advanced technology, become relatively cheaper compared to oil and thus they become the primary source of energy.

    We can't entirely rely on technological advance. Mankind could be on a roll at the moment, and hit a big brick wall a few years later. Technology isn't as magical as many of us may think. It's more likely that economics will dictate the fate of our energy future, technology will help but it wouldn't be the primary factor.

    The thirst for energy is a neverending one, and the earth's slowly pinching the straw mankind's been drinking oil from. We're sucking the oil harder, but less of it comes out. As a result, we're looking for somewhere else to drink the energy from, like a man stranded in the desert who is slowly drying up his drink bottle.

    Think about the future. Imagine pulling into your neighborhood Petron to load up on hydrogen. The big oil players would have moved to hydrogen a long time ago if it would have been practical to do so. Future hydrogen-economy players would be the same old companies with "petro-" or "oil" somewhere in their names, and that would be the legacy of our petroleum powered past (or present). C'mon, some car manufacturers such as Peugeot started out making bicycles!

    Engineering student here, just playing the devil's advocate, and applying what I have learned from basic economics and geology.
    Last edited by Alpha_One; November 2nd, 2005 at 11:42 AM.

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