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[jmpet626]

Nabasa ko sa autogeek online Griots Garage yung mas malakas followed by portercable then megs. Para sakin kung sa pads 2 Orange for defect removal, 2 white for polishing and 2 black for wax/sealant application.


Yung 5.5 inch pad kit ng autogeek.
http://www.autogeek.net/lake-country...d-pad-kit.html

OT : May sobra pa kong 1 32oz na ONR 1k lang hehe baka may gusto snyo

[kafph2000]

Ang sakit ng katawan ko! Spent half the day cleaning the car yesterday.

First I tried SwirlX for the millions of scratch marks and swirl marks. Ang masasabi ko lang, hindi kinayanan ng powers ko Kailagan talaga may machine sa dami; malamang ipa-BB ko muna and then maintain ko na lang...

same here sir!!! wew sumakit kamay at braso sa application ng swirlx. Though may natira parin nga konting scratches at watermarks. Do you think sir nasa application lang talaga pagkukulang? Or do we need a more aggresive liquid? inaalala ko rin kasi clear coat, baka masyadong numipis

[Reepicheep]

The heat of the sun in our country is really really hot and i find it that if left to bake in the sun it actually stiffens a little so its better to let it dry in the shade, we did a test before and used a brand new MF towel and placed in under the sun for one whole day and when we got it back it was courser than it was brand new, so if you want your MF's to look and feel like they're new, first wash it properly with a strong enough detergent to do the job, i know that the instructions read that you only need to use mild detergents for washing MF's but when you use a collinite, how do you expect to remove a wax thats detergent proof? so thats why i first use a degreaser, or i scrub it thoroughly, and then once its clean, i then soak it for a few minutes in water and perla and then rinse before i let it air dry in the shade, the results? i heard some guys was surprised to see our MF towels still soft after more than 1 year of usage. but one odd thing is that for those really stubborn stains, i use warm water and it doesn't do anything to degrade the fibers it even helps to remove wax and polish residues.

Wait, please do enlighten me on this. I've read on several online posts that using detergent soap can leave minute particles on the fibers that can cause paint marring later on. So right now, I'm using diluted liquid soap and warm water to clean my towels. So, would this degreaser + perla combination produce better results?

[madkatz]

*rico_g: haha nice beading! thats some maintenance you made for it to still bead that nice, either that or the paint was well prepped to accept and bond the wax properly

[madkatz]

To the two doctors who bought the OCW, OCW's doesn't really bead as much as compared to collinite's it actually sheets water more than it beads, but repellancy against water isn't its main forte although its sheeting is already sufficient to remove a majority of water after a wash, its number one feature is the protection it offers with the ease of a spray wax meaning it can provide a tough layer against water marks, tree saps and bird droppings, some sites even consider it as a sealant, anyways its second forte is the longevity of the shine compared to most OTC waxes that again comes with the convenience of the spray, i find that it actually lasts longer than TW PUG, Step 3 and Gold Class pastes when it comes to longevity of shine, so its more of a summer wax and a wax booster, for really round and tight water beading you really reach for the collinites

[madkatz]

^^ apparently. hehe. hindi talaga nagbi-bead masyado (either that, or nastrip ko yung 476! hindi naman siguro!)

and tama si ma'am madkatz - 2 sprays lang per panel (3 sa hood, 4 sa bubong), may coating na

and unlike yung sa mother's FX na spraywax, walang buffing required kasi habang iniispread, makintab na agad

ganda tingnan. hehe. tinapalan ko pa ng nanosliq para masarap rin haplusin :rofl:

*PSI: sinubukan kong gamitin yung microtex na wax applicator para sa 476, ang hirap pala, naninigas kasi. mas madali gamitin yung yellow na foam na bilog for collinite na paste.

pero pag liquid mas okay yung microtex na applicator

for starters the foam pad is the easiest to use and apply thin layers, but with some practice and style the MF applicator can be easier especially with liquid waxes

[madkatz]

mga sirs and ma'am madkatz, ano ang mas okay na size ng ccs pads, 6.5 or 5.5? good deal na yun rotary ni sir jmpet kaso dapat tlaga magtraining magrotary. mahal kasi ng portercable at 110v pa.

In most ways i agree with JM he's right, but my take would depend on the machine. if you're talking about the rotary when my suggestion is that you get the 5 inch backing plate like what JM get for me and my BF and then use the 5.5 inch pad for correction purposes, you see using the 8 inch pads are good if you're working the polish and spreading and working glazes and waxes since they don't require that much pressure, using a polishing doesn't require much pressure and no pressure in applying glazes and sealants, however when it comes to cutting pads you tend to need pressure and this is where i find the 5.5 inch does a better job since you can angle it to contour the curves better than the larger pads and you can concentrate the pressure on the defect area making your passes more effective in reducing defects, of course it requires more passes to do one hood but i find it more effective when working with smaller pads and that bonus is that you don't dry buff too quickly

[madkatz]

Nabasa ko sa autogeek online Griots Garage yung mas malakas followed by portercable then megs. Para sakin kung sa pads 2 Orange for defect removal, 2 white for polishing and 2 black for wax/sealant application.


Yung 5.5 inch pad kit ng autogeek.
http://www.autogeek.net/lake-country...d-pad-kit.html

OT : May sobra pa kong 1 32oz na ONR 1k lang hehe baka may gusto snyo

Actually we have tried the griots 5 DA polisher, and its only with their version two did they incorporate enough power to do the corrections better than PC, but the draw back that we noticed was that the Griots wiggle and vigrate more than the PC, we think its not that balanced as compared to the Griots, then again maybe its because we used a different counterweight for a different backing plate, see we used the counterweight for the 4 inch pads with a 5 inch backing plate.

[madkatz]

same here sir!!! wew sumakit kamay at braso sa application ng swirlx. Though may natira parin nga konting scratches at watermarks. Do you think sir nasa application lang talaga pagkukulang? Or do we need a more aggresive liquid? inaalala ko rin kasi clear coat, baka masyadong numipis

You will know if the product is sufficient if you can remove the swirls on one small area, so try doing a test spot, and if you can get the desired results then the product is enough, its just that some people hand polish and get excellent results from the start and poor results in the end caused by muscle fatigue and tiring, its normal for this to happen actually even for me thats why i usually recommend doing it a few panels per week, not do the whole car in one day, its no fun if you tire yourself too much at the end of the day, detailing should be fun hehe, but if on one small test area you still don't get the desired results then maybe its time for a second application or a more aggressive polish

[Chikselog]

Time to wash the Vios again tomorrow. Hopefully meron pang 476 hehe. It's been 2 weeks since I applied the 2nd coat of 476. And 1 week mahigit na no-washing. Hahaha. No time kasi.

*madkatz
mam paano po solusyon sa "mapping" sa isang part ng paint? Yung parang bilog na shape niya. Para bang nabalatan yung paint.

[jmpet626]

Actually we have tried the griots 5 DA polisher, and its only with their version two did they incorporate enough power to do the corrections better than PC, but the draw back that we noticed was that the Griots wiggle and vigrate more than the PC, we think its not that balanced as compared to the Griots, then again maybe its because we used a different counterweight for a different backing plate, see we used the counterweight for the 4 inch pads with a 5 inch backing plate.

Ah ok dapat sakto pala yung counterweight sa gamit na backing plate. Tinignan ko yung portercable yung default niya na counterweight is for 5 inch na backing plate.

[madkatz]

Wait, please do enlighten me on this. I've read on several online posts that using detergent soap can leave minute particles on the fibers that can cause paint marring later on. So right now, I'm using diluted liquid soap and warm water to clean my towels. So, would this degreaser + perla combination produce better results?

That holds true if the towel is not rinsed properly, if a towel is rinsed properly it should not hold any particles in the towel, that scenario is when you dump the towels on a wash bucket fill it up with water and pour on the powdered detergent, normally we would recommend you pour the powder unto the water first and let it melt away until no solid particles is left at the bottom before you dump in your MF cloths, and this scenario only happens with powdered detergents because they get stuck inbetween the fibers, if you're using diluted liquid then its no problem, and using warm water can really help in removing oil based wax and polishes, using a degreaser would make cleaning and removing those large clusters of wax and polishes easier but it doesn't mean that it makes it cleaner, i usually recommend degreasers for really tough waxes like collinites, but aside from that even if you use a degreaser i would still suggest you properly wash your towels, and repeated washing can help make sure its really clean, honestly you can also get the same results with just using any liquid detergent when it comes to cleaning the towel, perla just helps in making the towel softer, and of course air drying it under the shade also helps make it softer, again degreasers are mainly just used for removing big clusters of waxes and polishes and take note that not all MF cloths are recommended to be used with these kinds of chemicals

[madkatz]

Ah ok dapat sakto pala yung counterweight sa gamit na backing plate. Tinignan ko yung portercable yung default niya na counterweight is for 5 inch na backing plate.

yeah... the griots i think came with a counterweight for a 4 inch pad, but if you read on some forums most people also complain about griots jumping and vibrating more than the PC i dunno why but its definitely more powerful than the PC and a lot noisier hahaha

[madkatz]

Time to wash the Vios again tomorrow. Hopefully meron pang 476 hehe. It's been 2 weeks since I applied the 2nd coat of 476. And 1 week mahigit na no-washing. Hahaha. No time kasi.

*madkatz
mam paano po solusyon sa "mapping" sa isang part ng paint? Yung parang bilog na shape niya. Para bang nabalatan yung paint.

Hmmm we'll have to check on that personally, but in the mean time try a Step 1 to 3 process and check if the prewax cleaner can remove the mapping

[Chikselog]

Hmmm we'll have to check on that personally, but in the mean time try a Step 1 to 3 process and check if the prewax cleaner can remove the mapping

Ay di po pala sa akin hehe. Dun lang sa civic ng kakilala ko, sa hood nya. May multiple mappings. Sige po try ko step 1,2,3. Hehe.

[kafph2000]

*madkatz, thanks ma'am for the reply. Siguro nga fatigue lang pumatay sa desired results ko hehe

[rico_g]

Question.. I have less than a week old fleetwax/476s on my car... excellent beading, kaso, when left to dry, nagkakaroon ng water marks...

I tried ONR No rinse (1:256) and waterless solution (1:32), pero di natanggal... then tried nanosliq, ganun pa rin, does this mean i have to wax it once more with 476s?

I thought the benefit of good waxes, aside from protecting the paint, is to make these water marks easy to remove with just a wash. normal lang ba tlga un?

[scharnhorst]

*PSI: hindi ko linagyan ng QD yung MF applicator... kuha ka na rin ng OCW sir!

*madkatz: pretty satisfied with the performance of OCW so far, very, very good shine, and I can almost just flick off droppings and tree sap (after spraying a little bit of QD)

going to see if washing's going to strip it off today. hehe.

lagyan ko na rin ng booster wax for even more protection

[PSI]

*scharnhorst, dadatig din tayo diyan.... ang kunin mo fleet....have tried it sa hood/roof/trunk (liquid) ang lupit.....

*rico, idol baka a:155 or 1:33 kaya di natangal HEHEHEHE! joke joke....wait natin si mam katz....pero it should not be the case.....tama naman yung sabi mo...baka naman me naiingit sa oto mo kaya kung ano binuhus diyan? sabi ko sayo palit tayo mags eh hehehe

[madkatz]

Question.. I have less than a week old fleetwax/476s on my car... excellent beading, kaso, when left to dry, nagkakaroon ng water marks...

I tried ONR No rinse (1:256) and waterless solution (1:32), pero di natanggal... then tried nanosliq, ganun pa rin, does this mean i have to wax it once more with 476s?

I thought the benefit of good waxes, aside from protecting the paint, is to make these water marks easy to remove with just a wash. normal lang ba tlga un?

Hmm thats odd, it should make removing water marks easier, on the 6 cars we tested with fleet wax from the start of the rainy season we still haven't got any real permanent watermarks and most came off with just a wash, may i ask what kind of water was left to dry on the paint? so far only acid rain can penetrate through those kinds of waxes but its been raining frequently so im kinda crossing that out since acid rain is the strongest when for days it hasn't rained and it suddenly rained, and as with hard water spots these are the more common especially when you leave tap water to dry on paint but it should also be easy to remove with a QD, are they visible when dry? or are they only visible when you pass it with a damp cloth? Maybe you can bring it when you guys have another meet up and let dwin take a look at it.