Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[jamesvhong]

Lurker mode...

[safeorigin]

o nag paramdam si mister pasimuno ng lahat ng problema sa PhUV Autodesign thread!!!{grabe ang haba ng sinabi ko}

anyways, pwede ko ba isali ung anak ko?


























in the future?

[OyiL]

kulang ako sa concentration, sa focus

[ehnriko]

Hi everyone... it's very rare - next to impossible for me to have internet access... I am taking this chance to reply to this thread - di ko kasi kayang i-contain and feelings ko with regards to the recently launched PhUV.

I would like to begin with this statement...

Car Designers are the equivalent of Pitoy Moreno or Inno Sotto in the
Apparel Fashion Industry - they are not exactly the people who are influenced with technical details as to how to saw their concept apparels or clothings... they have a team who translate their concepts into reality... but - their concepts are worth more than the material itself since these concepts are the elements that determine the bottom line - i.e. - Sales!

Sa atin sa PInas - masabing may background ka ng Mechanical Engineering, Industrial Engineering, Architecture (please wag magagalit ang masasagasaan - no offense meant) eh pwede nang maging AUV Designer. If we really respect the Filipinos... we would never allow such any disrespect on the aesthetics of his mobility... since his Mobility is his Nobility.

Parang binastos ang Pilipino sa PhUV design na yan. What I see is a GLORIFIED AUV with a Trying Hard Personality... pretty much reflects the personality or company culture of the people behind. Walang symmetry. Ang tanging maganda lang ay ang Paint Job. First Impressions lasts... I was right. The first time I heard they are launching an AUV (PhUV) - I predicted it would look like the Ford Fierra... The headlights does not match... the grill is oversized - trying to catch up with the body lines. The Center of Gravity is high but the concealed running boards is telling everyone - that this vehicle is trying to make itself believe it has character. I am really dissappointed.

ang lalaking tao pa naman ang nasa likod ng MVPMAP... matitigas pa nga mga leeg eh.. Sad to say - they will still rule the Philippine Industry - one way or another... OK lang naman yun eh - pero sana - pag igihan naman nila. If you love the Philipinos... bigyan niyo naman ng konting kahihiyan and producto na para kay Juan Dela Cruz!

Last 1989 - when I applied for Volvo as a Car Desaigner after being frustrated with MAX 95 for stealing 3 of my entries and sharing it with Lexus/Toyota and Proton - They almost hired me - but when they asked what is my specialty - Technical or the Artistic side which I will call (Tactical)... I told them - I can't make a choice. They told me to just start a Car Company of my own in the Philippines... I was angry at them - but I soon realized they were right. Hindi pwedeng mag design ang isang tao if he is influenced with Technical Concerns... I found this out myself. The PhUV is actually a fine example of what I realized 10 years ago while making some personal projects.

I am pretty sure that the PhUV of MVPMAP is a creation of Engineers trying hard to be designers. With that kind of a presentation package - I am really convinced matatagalan pa ang Pinas para maging isang player na seseriosohin sa Auto Industry per se.

What we need is a miracle to cure the sick value system of our industry leaders. Before the Car Development Program of Cory - I made a Feasbility Study on Automobile Manufacturing Industry in the Philippines - it is still in the last College I enrolled years ago 1989 I think... everybody thought it was that simple - I ommitted the aspect - we would still be needing a good design and the designer and his team.

anyway - since my elementary and high school days - all my research studies were about History of the automobile and my hobby was collecting cars for the purpose of studying their design philosophies... Talking about Design Phillosophy... what is the Philosophy behind the PhUV?

I hope we are not making ourselves believe that it is really good because it is ours. As my father always say "Walang kamganak kamaganak - basta ang pinakamagaling yung anak ko!"

I hope this helps in our effort to enlighten the potentially good automotive culture of the Pinoys.

I cant say I am proud to be Pinoy with the rate were going... but I still dream of seeing the light of day when I can be one.

Guys - I wont be able to post here again for until after 1 or 2 months siguro - but I will be able to read this thread. If I have offended anyone - please dont be - just consider this as something to think about... and act upon later.

MABUHAY ang PILIPINO!

[straker]

Oyil, here's what I owe you. First time to upload a pic... I hope my doodles are understandable.

My dad used to say to me when I finally get to drive....if you got a flat, FIX IT FAST! You'll never know what sort of characters that will come to you.

The assembly operates in the same way as our kid's stroller-type bag. Instead of a bag, its the wheel.

As many of us here are against putting the wheel on the door, I still stayed on, this time the wheel housing is mounted into the UV's interior. I didn't include the shell so the mechanism can be seen.

The spare will be accessible ONLY if the rear door is open, and that you pressed on its latches (or locks) to release it. We have a double-level protection from tire-stealing thieves.

The moving part of the support rods could have tiny rollers on its side to minimize scratching on the door's metal shell.

Kung pwede pa, to prevent the wheel to fall by its weight when the locks are released, the rods are equipped with shock absorbers, similar to door closers.

A spare and dirty wheel is always an offensive sight, just add a metal or plastic shell, further refined, in line with the PHUV's interior.

if the rear door isn't the place to be, the traditional underchassy mount will do. The assy is fastened on the floor, if I think right.

[donbuggy]

The spare will be accessible ONLY if the rear door is open, and that you pressed on its latches (or locks) to release it.

A much simpler solution...

[OyiL]

*Don

i think straker's primary reason for his suggestion, is the inclusion of a mechanism that will make it easier to move the spare tire from the holder to the pavement. para sa mga ladies daw yun.

[drey]

well i think strakers idea can be done like this...

[architect]

Very innovative but the locks need to be sturdy. You don't want the tire to come loose when the vehicle hits a pothole or a hump. Of course you won't have this problem if the tire well is located in the interior side. But then the tire well will eat into cabin/storage space.

Also you need to think of alternate locations for the jeepney and pick-up configurations.

[donbuggy]

But how will a lady push the whole thing up after changing the tires?

Alternative: use a lever. Simple and lesser number of parts.

[drey]

pwede rin yan... pero parang may weight ussue ang dalawa... why not use a pulley? I can fab a nice and clean method using only MTB SingleSpeed technology.

Less than PHP1000 kaya na (ofcourse the ingredients of this baby lang)! Parang labas nya roll-up and down window... and apply ko good layout design para di mag reklamo si hein!

[foifoi05]

* dprox, atlast got the time and mood. And made some sketches before goin home from work. Here's my take on the mvpmap phuv, same platform, and well i wanted it to be repaneled with a completely different approach - simple lang.
I shudnt have inked it to have that rounded edge feel. But i hope you guys get my point.
Here it is:

"PHUV Tableta" (this post is probably much appropriate for the tsikot phuv but i have other ideas in mind)

.... well maybe ugly but imo steers away from the classic Auv look.



And here is another concept based on the current MVPMAP PHUV (the grille is still there) :

hehe, too loud, just an artistic representation, But I believe kahit MOCK-UP full scale model lang kaya gawin ito (eg. A-toy, etc), then diplay as prototype/concept. Then design will be toned down for mass production shempre, that happens sa mga concept cars sa mga autoshows.

[ogpro]

But how will a lady push the whole thing up after changing the tires?

Alternative: use a lever. Simple and lesser number of parts.

I like this, with some changes to make it ligher. It looks very simple (cheap!) to make too. I'm waiting for what drey will come up with too, sounds promising. That's thinking in the right direction.

Aside from the mechanism, how do you guys propose to make the rear door? Seems making it out of sheet metal will give it more joints to possibly rust out. How about molding the rear door panel out of fiberglass or the eurethane bumper material, then reinforcing with steel beams for impact protection?

[architect]

Actually I find the Tableta rather cute - sort of like a cartoon character with puffy cheeks. Interestingly, I think (based on the drawing) its A-line is potentially classic in that the design may remain trendy for years to come.

Two things -

1. When you fully open the front door won't it hit the side mirror? OyiL and I actually had previously discussed this alternative location for the mirror. Ideally they should be adjustable from the inside for upgraded models.

2. Is there a way you can make the panels more modular? As you may already know, the group is designing the Tsikot PhUV to be configurable as either a van, pick-up, AUV, or jeepney. For more detailed specs, kindly consult either OyiL, Dprox, or drey.

[straker]

Drey, thanks for cleaning my my handsketch! DonBuggy's version is good, enough to challenge me. . The only thing left going for my version is the space it occupies when its released, and the spare is ready for loading/unloading. Kung pwede, I'll mount a motor inside it so it goes up/down like a forklift.

Still in my thinking chair for the pick-up version. Since there's no secured locks to speak of, I still want a "quick-release" for the user, but hell for the would-be thief.

[orly_andico]

A motor powerful enough to lift a 50-pound wheel in a reasonable span of time would be quite beefy, and expensive. It would add complexity as well.

[donbuggy]

I also like the Tableta. Its quirky design reminds me of old Citroens and Renaults and the more recent Nissan S-Cargo. Just add flared wheel arches (bevelled of course) and move the front wheels forward.

foifoi05's other design looks wicked. Lots of complex curves. Are we capable of fabricating it?

Somebody please make a 3D drawing of the Tableta and its devilish companion. And safeorigin's slope nosed PhUV too.

[drey]

Drey, thanks for cleaning my my handsketch! DonBuggy's version is good, enough to challenge me. . The only thing left going for my version is the space it occupies when its released, and the spare is ready for loading/unloading. Kung pwede, I'll mount a motor inside it so it goes up/down like a forklift.

Still in my thinking chair for the pick-up version. Since there's no secured locks to speak of, I still want a "quick-release" for the user, but hell for the would-be thief.

yes, don buggy really has some good stuff...

A motor powerful enough to lift a 50-pound wheel in a reasonable span of time would be quite beefy, and expensive. It would add complexity as well.

orly, actually we can even if its carrying a 50 pound wheel. Ever thought about Mountain Bike gears when shifted to very low gears? Magaan diba? Reliability wise din kasi the gears will last for decades, just make sure that it is lubricated everytime it gets noisy.

[OyiL]

I also like the Tableta. Its quirky design reminds me of old Citroens and Renaults and the more recent Nissan S-Cargo. Just add flared wheel arches (bevelled of course) and move the front wheels forward.

foifoi05's other design looks wicked. Lots of complex curves. Are we capable of fabricating it?

Somebody please make a 3D drawing of the Tableta and its devilish companion. And safeorigin's slope nosed PhUV too.

supply the measurements(and views, front, rear, side, top). i can do a 3D model of it on my spare time. then do a photo-realistic render.

mas maganda yung render kung merong background na 3D model din ng pilipinas. dont know how to use pictures as background pa e.

mas talagang maganda siguro if everybody can 3D na.

[orly_andico]

orly, actually we can even if its carrying a 50 pound wheel. Ever thought about Mountain Bike gears when shifted to very low gears? Magaan diba? Reliability wise din kasi the gears will last for decades, just make sure that it is lubricated everytime it gets noisy.

I know all about that. That is why I said ".. in a reasonable time."

If you put too much gearing down so that your small motor can raise the wheel, there certainly will be torque, but due to the large gear ratio it will take forever to raise the wheel.

For an application such as this one, a motor such as the windshield wiper motor would be too small. Also a gear train is not cheap. I think this "feature" is a nice-to-have on the same level as the motorized trunk opener and closer on the 7-series BMW. In other words, out of place on an entry-level utility vehicle.