Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[architect]

Actually I find the Tableta rather cute - sort of like a cartoon character with puffy cheeks. Interestingly, I think (based on the drawing) its A-line is potentially classic in that the design may remain trendy for years to come.

Two things -

1. When you fully open the front door won't it hit the side mirror? OyiL and I actually had previously discussed this alternative location for the mirror. Ideally they should be adjustable from the inside for upgraded models.

2. Is there a way you can make the panels more modular? As you may already know, the group is designing the Tsikot PhUV to be configurable as either a van, pick-up, AUV, or jeepney. For more detailed specs, kindly consult either OyiL, Dprox, or drey.

[straker]

Drey, thanks for cleaning my my handsketch! DonBuggy's version is good, enough to challenge me. . The only thing left going for my version is the space it occupies when its released, and the spare is ready for loading/unloading. Kung pwede, I'll mount a motor inside it so it goes up/down like a forklift.

Still in my thinking chair for the pick-up version. Since there's no secured locks to speak of, I still want a "quick-release" for the user, but hell for the would-be thief.

[orly_andico]

A motor powerful enough to lift a 50-pound wheel in a reasonable span of time would be quite beefy, and expensive. It would add complexity as well.

[donbuggy]

I also like the Tableta. Its quirky design reminds me of old Citroens and Renaults and the more recent Nissan S-Cargo. Just add flared wheel arches (bevelled of course) and move the front wheels forward.

foifoi05's other design looks wicked. Lots of complex curves. Are we capable of fabricating it?

Somebody please make a 3D drawing of the Tableta and its devilish companion. And safeorigin's slope nosed PhUV too.

[drey]

Drey, thanks for cleaning my my handsketch! DonBuggy's version is good, enough to challenge me. . The only thing left going for my version is the space it occupies when its released, and the spare is ready for loading/unloading. Kung pwede, I'll mount a motor inside it so it goes up/down like a forklift.

Still in my thinking chair for the pick-up version. Since there's no secured locks to speak of, I still want a "quick-release" for the user, but hell for the would-be thief.

yes, don buggy really has some good stuff...

A motor powerful enough to lift a 50-pound wheel in a reasonable span of time would be quite beefy, and expensive. It would add complexity as well.

orly, actually we can even if its carrying a 50 pound wheel. Ever thought about Mountain Bike gears when shifted to very low gears? Magaan diba? Reliability wise din kasi the gears will last for decades, just make sure that it is lubricated everytime it gets noisy.

[orly_andico]

orly, actually we can even if its carrying a 50 pound wheel. Ever thought about Mountain Bike gears when shifted to very low gears? Magaan diba? Reliability wise din kasi the gears will last for decades, just make sure that it is lubricated everytime it gets noisy.

I know all about that. That is why I said ".. in a reasonable time."

If you put too much gearing down so that your small motor can raise the wheel, there certainly will be torque, but due to the large gear ratio it will take forever to raise the wheel.

For an application such as this one, a motor such as the windshield wiper motor would be too small. Also a gear train is not cheap. I think this "feature" is a nice-to-have on the same level as the motorized trunk opener and closer on the 7-series BMW. In other words, out of place on an entry-level utility vehicle.

[dprox]

Hey guys, where are you getting all your motors and gears? Parang may budget, a. Just giving you a heads-up, in case consumers can't afford it and we have to resort to much-vaunted woman-power. The other issue is that rear door is going to open and close a lot if it's used as a commuter. I'd hate to be the top hinge. You may want to consider other location options for the reserve. 2 cents.
Anyways, I do believe we are actually designing (!) and that's what this thread is all about.
Avanti, ragazzi! Siamo in ritardo!

[drey]

I know all about that. That is why I said ".. in a reasonable time."

If you put too much gearing down so that your small motor can raise the wheel, there certainly will be torque, but due to the large gear ratio it will take forever to raise the wheel.

yes, thats another thing about this one... it may finish hiding itself in maybe less than 30 seconds but that still lame... It may be out of place on an entry level vehicle pero its a also nice to have it in here, but as of now, di pa to pwede kasi we are on a tight budget... maybe soon in our updated versions of the PhUV.

[orly_andico]

Maybe what the big boy carmakers are doing is the correct way of doing it:

use a "donut" spare.

It's smaller AND lighter!

[niky]

Maybe what the big boy carmakers are doing is the correct way of doing it:

use a "donut" spare.

It's smaller AND lighter!

Yup... saves money, too... 1000 pesos or so at Banaue.


Just don't forget to... *ahem* ...paint over the rust on the rim...

[OyiL]

I also like the Tableta. Its quirky design reminds me of old Citroens and Renaults and the more recent Nissan S-Cargo. Just add flared wheel arches (bevelled of course) and move the front wheels forward.

foifoi05's other design looks wicked. Lots of complex curves. Are we capable of fabricating it?

Somebody please make a 3D drawing of the Tableta and its devilish companion. And safeorigin's slope nosed PhUV too.

supply the measurements(and views, front, rear, side, top). i can do a 3D model of it on my spare time. then do a photo-realistic render.

mas maganda yung render kung merong background na 3D model din ng pilipinas. dont know how to use pictures as background pa e.

mas talagang maganda siguro if everybody can 3D na.

[dprox]

mas talagang maganda siguro if everybody can 3D na.

Pinakamaganda siguro if all you IT/computer guys in this forum can put together a quick seminar on 3D modelling. I'm willing to bet maraming mag-eenrol. What 3D program might be best for a crash course for enthusiasts? Sketchup? Dapat user friendly and not-so-steep learning curve.
Maybe OyiL, architect and orly can work that one out. Suggestion lang.

[foifoi05]

double post sorry

[OyiL]

*foi

ang bangis mo! 3D din ba ung building?

[ehnriko]

Hi Oyil, Dprox and Architect and Everyone!

I am happy that the fire Oyil started a while back is now becoming a FireBall! Keep it burning guys!

heres a glimpse to my secret 3D designs.... sorry - spy shots lang ito.

just to add fuel to the fire...

regards.

[jpdm]

I am definitely impressed with the designs and PHUV renditions showed here especially the model in 3D.

I think dprox, Im am now convinced of asking some people to consider and include a separate design course...

These design models, in the case of the Philippines and the local backyard auto industry, will revolutionalize the production and image of local AUVs and if all these will be put into production, these will transform our urban and rural transport (PUV segment)landscape!

Tanong ko lang po, with limited resources (no stamping plant) it is possible to alter (with curves)the looks of boxy local AUVs? Then, is it possible to speed up production in case there will be bulk orders? Is the design team, which Im hoping, will go to the lego type interchangeable parts especially the body frames and kits? Can it be possible to fabricate quality and impressive grills, dashboard and instrument panels (weakness nila) without spending to much?My study shows that we Filipinos love to accessorize.

Actually these questions came from people (backyard assemblers)who realized that sticking to their archaic production method will not bring in more customers.

[architect]

*foifoi5

[lytspid]

sirs, good thing may mga plans na pla to build up our own phuv,id just like to share something based on our experience, we have a fiberglass business before which builds cars for taxi made up of fiberglass reinforce with chasis,ive been hlping in the design in the prototypes,only problem we had is we are limited in the design to the availablity of the parts that floods in the market..like doors,windshields,headlights and tail lights to dashboards,in this manner consumers are able to replace every part at a lower cost if damaged occurs and the supply is abundant, in the design aspect there could be no bounderies if we can build and create our own supply of parts and accesories..as i have seen and read in some prototypes in creating a phuv ,we have come up with problem of fuel consumption and engineering..id like to ask a question if the design of our phuv will be limited to surplus parts from japan or are we going to manufacture our own parts from the chasis to the engine...coz i for one loves to design automobiles and its my favorite past time..only thing that hinders are the availablity of parts..as function follows form or form follows function...

[architect]

I am now convinced of asking some people to consider and include a separate design course...

Sounds good. Who knows, some of the tsikoteers here might even be interested in teaching.

These design models, in the case of the Philippines and the local backyard auto industry, will revolutionalize the production and image of local AUVs and if all these will be put into production, these will transform our urban and rural transport (PUV segment)landscape!

That is what this motley group of ours is trying to acheive.

Tanong ko lang po, with limited resources (no stamping plant) it is possible to alter (with curves)the looks of boxy local AUVs? Then, is it possible to speed up production in case there will be bulk orders?

That is what the core group (aside from designing) is analyzing right now via re-applied deconstructivism principles and Kanter's bypass model.

Is the design team, which Im hoping, will go to the lego type interchangeable parts especially the body frames and kits?

That has been the design philosophy right from the very start.

Can it be possible to fabricate quality and impressive grills, dashboard and instrument panels (weakness nila) without spending to much?

Of course. Master designers can produce great cost-effective designs. But this is not that to say we are master designers... although I am sure you know what I mean.

My study shows that we Filipinos love to accessorize.

Yup. Personally I would say this is an applied instance of proxemics in an extended manner (though not sure if dprox will agree with me). But our design philosophy strongly supports this habit.

[dprox]

I am definitely impressed with the designs and PHUV renditions showed here especially the model in 3D.
I think dprox, Im am now convinced of asking some people to consider and include a separate design course...

Suggestion: branch it out from the Industrial Design faculty of St. Benilde, and tie it up with the IT faculty of DLSCanlubang. Mga "bro" naman yang mga campuses na yan, e.
I hope the industrial design profs from MIT-Malayan and those of UST are reading these threads.