Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[safeorigin]

sir, wag pong OT sa thread.
actually, last 6 months pa po namin nasimulan yan.


surprise na lang po namin sa WORLD ang end product.


tagline: empowering Pinoy dream...

*mike01
baka gusto mo rin makisali sa aming backyard experiments? open ka rito sa thread anytime. sigurado ko mapapa ka.

[mike01]

malabo kase mangyari na ang isang kotse e affordable, fuel efficient, fast, and durable..

you have to sacrifice kahit isa dyan.. yung iba meron lang affordable like norkis legacy.. so ano pa yung isa na pwedeng idagdag dyan? durable, fuel efficient o fast?

pwede ihuli na yung fast.. that is the least of concern of buyers.. unless gusto mo makipagkarera..in which case di dapat yan ang bilhin mo..


saka isa pa wag na yung mga diesel or truck parts.. sobrang dami nang dyip sa atin.. sana naman ma i junk na yang mga junk jeepneys na yan.. yung medyo disente naman at di maingay at mausok..

[dprox]

dprox, your IMAGINATION is running on overdrive. I never taunted the tsikoteers to junk the PhUV project (why don't you back-read a little?).

If YOU read back a little, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and covering your a__ to give you a chance for constructive and polite contribution, and to be accepted by the e-community that has emerged from this thread.
Can I now IMAGINE that you have read the TWO threads through, enough to understand the parameters of this project?
Can you Imagine how you can now make a worthy contribution to design (even at the risk of losing your job).

When you are in an email forum, you need to use your imagination, considering the screens of anonymity. But even more so when you are in a DESIGN forum.

HOPE doesn't work without it, for imagination is the ability to see, hear, feel, and experience a good that is not there yet. We HOPE you can do that, then you make what is called a CREATIVE CONTRIBUTION. Imagine that! Then maybe you can tell us something we don't know yet.

I just wanted to inject a little REALITY CHECKING into this thread. It was just that some of your posters do not totally comprehend the complexities of automobile manufacturing.

It is good manners to knock before you inject. You don't need too much imagination to see that this is a startup design thread. You may have intended to give a vaccination, fine, but even vaccines when given too early can be lethal.
As I said, we are not contemplating conventional manufacturing. Read back.
This is an opensource DESIGN forum for budding designers, not the Wako R&D center, nor an Italian carrozzeria. Live and let live! :liberty:

Many of your suggested designs of oyil, for instance, are impractical costwise and beyond the coachbuilding capabilities of the local manufacturers. Therefore, they will remain as such- concept drawings.

That may be true, but it is a prejudgment (aka prejudice). OyiL happens to be an engineer himself, ICYDK. Don't you think he knows some of the math? In fairness to you, I don't want to say that OyiL's design skills are waaay beyond yours - not until you've posted your own stuff.
Now I see you're disparaging the coachbuilding capabilities of local mfrs. How do you manage to make so many enemies in one sweep?

Automobile manufacturing is a numbers game. And in my job, you learn to read and apply the math.

Good for you and your job. But the current focus here is DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, not cost-cutting ... yet. Can you IMAGINE yourself going beyond numbers, into words, ideas, images of surface, space, texture, end-user experience? Can you IMAGINE the difference between bean-counting and cultivation? Between Cost Accounting and Pedagogy?
Since by your admission, you are coming in too early in the process, can you IMAGINE yourself getting out of your box and recommending alternative production paradigms? (I imagine that that is not within your job description to do so.) Can you IMAGINE that what we posters are doing here is not in our respective job descriptions either?

It is easy to concoct great ideas such as a world-beating PhUV.

World-beating? Now YOU are on overdrive! It's only for the less able that we are designing the PhUV. If it beats the world, then that's icing on the cake. Read back.

It is in the IMPLEMENTATION where you will meet the greatest challenges.

That's correct. Back in 2003, it took me three months to design my own prototype vehicle and nine to build it, without overruns, if I may add. But without the "complexities of automobile manufacturing" of your bigboy firm.

Getting your feet MUDDY? I assure you dprox, you haven't even left the starting line.

I think it was you who was absent when the starting gun barked. We have just begun, and you are already taking potshots from the sidelines.
In case you forgot, designers and cost engineers run on parallel tracks. Cost engineers who have design aptitudes are rare; and so are designers who have cost engineering skills. If you want to run along the designer track, you have to use your imagination ... and be sensitive. If not, maybe you should stay behind your line until higher-ups say go.
OR, you could stick to your own track and start your own thread on "cost control issues in conventional bigboy auto design & assembly-line production".

To the reading public: The debate between cost controllers and designers is perennial in the industry, so please do not be alarmed. It's quite normal. By hein's own admission, he's coming in too early in the game, and until he can assure us that he sincerely wants the Tsikot PhUV project to succeed, make actual contributions, or even just exhibit a modicum of courtesy, the budding designers in this thread cannot be blamed if they perceive him to be hostile.

[cuecraftsman]

i was with engr. ric alano of norkis/ managing head for legacy/privacy group last night and he was abit disapointed with some comments here...
fyi, norkis started as distrubutor/dealer of yamaha motorcycles here in phil since 1962... main objective nila/market is the "masa" as such being used in visayas/mindanao areas.. wherein hanap ng "masa" yun matipid over mabilis
limited din mga pave roads sa province/most islands kanya ayw nila bulky parts at mahal i-transport/order pa from manila...

they pioneered the "multicab" soon avail narin sa kanila "recon-starlets"
sana suportahan natin mga gaya nila... na naglilingkod sa mga taga nayon!

[ocanursjr]

teka mga tsikoteers!lumabas n b ung phuv ntin.akala ko b first quarter ng year n to.at saka lumalayo ung iba s isyu.huwag nman ntin maliitin ung mga ofw,im an ofw before,with an earnings of 180k to 200k monthly.(para me idea ung ng mamaliit s mga ofw)minamaliit nyo ung mga nag tataguyod ng bansa ntin.kung hindi dhil s knila mtagal ng bagsak ang pilipinas.anyway,im still waiting for our own philippine made auv.isa ako s mga buyer nyan for sure.walang siraan mga tsikoteers.tulungan ntin makaahon ung car industry ntin.npag iiwanan n tyo ng bansang tsina,india at korea.

[OyiL]

teka mga tsikoteers!lumabas n b ung phuv ntin.akala ko b first quarter ng year n to.at saka lumalayo ung iba s isyu.huwag nman ntin maliitin ung mga ofw,im an ofw before,with an earnings of 180k to 200k monthly.(para me idea ung ng mamaliit s mga ofw)minamaliit nyo ung mga nag tataguyod ng bansa ntin.kung hindi dhil s knila mtagal ng bagsak ang pilipinas.anyway,im still waiting for our own philippine made auv.isa ako s mga buyer nyan for sure.walang siraan mga tsikoteers.tulungan ntin makaahon ung car industry ntin.npag iiwanan n tyo ng bansang tsina,india at korea.

NYE!! SHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[safeorigin]

woah, cool lang guys. OT naman na ang away na yan. paalala lang, mga contributions, ideas, related issues and opinions po ang cause nitong thread. wala naman po sanang flames and violent, overnegative posts po dito.

*hein: sana makonsensya ka naman. tingnan mo naman ang iyong sarili. maganda na ang pwesto mo dyan sa bigboy company. marahil, maganda na ang buhay mo dyan samantalang kami na tagaPINAS e naghihirap. ang gusto lang naman namin e mabigyan ng chance ang mga people who can't afford import cars like yours ng affordable utility cars. hindi naman siguro ikasasama ng kumpanya nyo yan diba? what else could you ask for a huge auto firm? may asimo, may hondajet pa. wala naman kaming galit sa iyo. sa akin lang naman e kahit murahin mo ako buong araw e ayus lang kasi di mo kami makukumbinsi magquit. paalala lang po, masama ang di marunong tumingin sa pinanggalingan.

mabuti nga e mayroon ang mga katulad ng norkis, na kahit hindi maganda ang feedbacks e sinisikmura nalang nila upang matulungan ang poor na kagaya NAMING PINOY na mapadali ang transportation ng products and goods. alam nyo bang napakabenefitial ng mga katulad nun dito sa probinsya(isabela). imbis na kalabaw ang naghahatak ng palay e un ang ginagamit para mas mabilis.

[OyiL]

GET BACK TO WORK GUYS!!

ok lang naman na malaman natin kung ano ang hindi gusto ng mga car buyers. kasi yun ang iiwasan nating gawin. wala naman sigurong nang-lait ng norkis dito sa thread na ito. kung meron, sigurado not from the core group.

ok din naman na malaman natin kung masyadong futuristic ang mga sketches ni oyil nsa thread na ito(o ha!). orly is ok with slab-sided design, but hein thinks local skills are not up to that. lets meet halfway, not too slab-sided..and not too aerodynamic...peace.

mike, sabi mo wala kang car..kung i-junk yung mga junk jeepneys..makikipag-agawan kang sumakay dahil kokonti na lang sila. marunong ka bang sumabit?

[mike01]

i was with engr. ric alano of norkis/ managing head for legacy/privacy group last night and he was abit disapointed with some comments here...
fyi, norkis started as distrubutor/dealer of yamaha motorcycles here in phil since 1962... main objective nila/market is the "masa" as such being used in visayas/mindanao areas.. wherein hanap ng "masa" yun matipid over mabilis
limited din mga pave roads sa province/most islands kanya ayw nila bulky parts at mahal i-transport/order pa from manila...

they pioneered the "multicab" soon avail narin sa kanila "recon-starlets"
sana suportahan natin mga gaya nila... na naglilingkod sa mga taga nayon!

korekak.wala ako kilala from norkis..pero i find their products hitting the nail right on the head.. ganun na ganun ang ideal car na expect ko.. like yung legacy nila.. malaki pakinabang nun.. and yung multicab nila andami nang gumaya.. pati sa mall of asia ginagamit na..

for a price of 180k..sobrang mura na yan..for you to expect it to run fast, ..aba'y you are wishing for the stars na.. siguro pakisabi na lang sa norkis yung quality and durability na lang i improve... and we got a winner.. i think dun din papunta yun..lahat naman nag i improve..


galing nun recon na starlet! meron ako nakita local reconditioner din ng mga nissan march kei car.. taga cebu.. pero meron na din ako nakita dito nun..nissan march..parang starlet din..

[mike01]

i was with engr. ric alano of norkis/ managing head for legacy/privacy group last night and he was abit disapointed with some comments here...
fyi, norkis started as distrubutor/dealer of yamaha motorcycles here in phil since 1962... main objective nila/market is the "masa" as such being used in visayas/mindanao areas.. wherein hanap ng "masa" yun matipid over mabilis
limited din mga pave roads sa province/most islands kanya ayw nila bulky parts at mahal i-transport/order pa from manila...

they pioneered the "multicab" soon avail narin sa kanila "recon-starlets"
sana suportahan natin mga gaya nila... na naglilingkod sa mga taga nayon!

GET BACK TO WORK GUYS!!

ok lang naman na malaman natin kung ano ang hindi gusto ng mga car buyers. kasi yun ang iiwasan nating gawin. wala naman sigurong nang-lait ng norkis dito sa thread na ito. kung meron, sigurado not from the core group.

ok din naman na malaman natin kung masyadong futuristic ang mga sketches ni oyil nsa thread na ito(o ha!). orly is ok with slab-sided design, but hein thinks local skills are not up to that. lets meet halfway, not too slab-sided..and not too aerodynamic...peace.

mike, sabi mo wala kang car..kung i-junk yung mga junk jeepneys..makikipag-agawan kang sumakay dahil kokonti na lang sila. marunong ka bang sumabit?

may bisikleta ako..di nga ako makapag bisekleta sa trabaho mula bahay sa dami ng dyip.. kapal ng usok.. ang tanging pangarap ko na lang sana ma junk na lahat ang dyip..

sarap ng buhay pag walang usok at sariwa hangin..

[drey]

OT:

*mike01

yep... im also a biker myself. Its nice to smell fresh just like in the mountains. But you have to consider not only yourself, but a lot of people are still taking the jeep as their mode of transport (just like me).

sana nalang the government would make better actions. Wala pa ata ako narinig na action about air pollution. Factories lang ang nashushut-down.

Sana mga dyip naka used cooking oil from Jollibee or McDo! That way, when I ride my bike I can smell french fries out of the muffler.

[dprox]

teka mga tsikoteers!lumabas n b ung phuv ntin.akala ko b first quarter ng year n to.at saka lumalayo ung iba s isyu.huwag nman ntin maliitin ung mga ofw,im an ofw before,with an earnings of 180k to 200k monthly.(para me idea ung ng mamaliit s mga ofw)minamaliit nyo ung mga nag tataguyod ng bansa ntin.kung hindi dhil s knila mtagal ng bagsak ang pilipinas.anyway,im still waiting for our own philippine made auv.isa ako s mga buyer nyan for sure.walang siraan mga tsikoteers.tulungan ntin makaahon ung car industry ntin.npag iiwanan n tyo ng bansang tsina,india at korea.

Clarification lang po, ocanursjr. Yung dapat ni-launch noong end-March is the PhUV of the MVPMAP. http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33667

The PhUV we are opensource designing in this Tsikot forum is not the PhUV announced by the MVPMAP, but our own attempt as Tsikoteers. We have no official links with MVPMAP. The only thing we are asking from them is their product catalogues and spec data, so that we could incorporate locally manufactured parts/systems into the Tsikot PhUV. http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35915

OT: BTW, I am also proud to say I was an OFW myself, for 5 years. Music titser ang nanay ko at honest gov't engineer ang tatay ko. Hindi kami mayaman, panganay ako sa pito. Pero sa awa ng Diyos, I have been able to pursue my childhood dream of designing and building my own FILIPINO car. It is a dream of many that I would like them to enjoy, too. KAYA NATIN ITO.:2thumbsup:
It's not a perfect car, but it serves my purposes, it is my OWN.
AND I AM A FILIPINO! :jump2:

[varga]

hi guys,

is there a stamping plant here in the country for this vehicle project? or is it going to be sourced somewhere in the ASEAN region?

what concept/s do we concentrate on?
mini AUV
mini MPV
economy hatchback

in any case, i suggest taking some smart, trendsetting and practicable liberties with the interior to set it apart from its other cousins in the AUV/MPV universe.

i'll look for newer concepts so we can all come up with a strong vehicle design proposal.

best regards to all

attachments:
nissan bevel concept (brown)
nissan amenio concept ex driverside
toyota FSC concept exfrdriver
nissan livina geniss

[architect]

OT: BTW, I am also proud to say I was an OFW myself, for 5 years. Music titser ang nanay ko at honest gov't engineer ang tatay ko. Hindi kami mayaman, panganay ako sa pito. Pero sa awa ng Diyos, I have been able to pursue my childhood dream of designing and building my own FILIPINO car. It is a dream of many that I would like them to enjoy, too. KAYA NATIN ITO.:2thumbsup:
It's not a perfect car, but it serves my purposes, it is my OWN.
AND I AM A FILIPINO! :jump2:

OT: Dprox forgot to add that he is actually descended from Julian Felipe. I guess he is just too humble to brag about that. Knowing this fact, I guess you guys can't blame him for being patriotic and passionate about the PhUV.

[drey]

Hello Varga,

The PhUV can be considered an AUV but its a PhUV. It is for commercial use and it is also capable of carrying passengers for your family in the weekends. It is also very flexible that it can be used in special tasks. Talking about Jeepneys, the PhUV will inherit its reliabily and strength but with a modern taste of design. There is still no final sketch about the design but if you wish to contribute practical designs, the group would love to hear it!

[hein]

Back in 2003, it took me three months to design my own prototype vehicle and nine to build it, without overruns, if I may add. But without the "complexities of automobile manufacturing" of your bigboy firm.

Really dprox? Why don't you post pics of your creation. Show everyone the vehicle that didn't need "complex automotive manufacturing".

[putalittlemore]

*hein

sir eto ... offline si sir dprox...

http://disenyopilipino.ph/dprox4x4chokaranspecs.html

[OyiL]

hein, check my reality

is it too slab and square? or too aero for pinoy latero?

[ocanursjr]

Clarification lang po, ocanursjr. Yung dapat ni-launch noong end-March is the PhUV of the MVPMAP. http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33667

The PhUV we are opensource designing in this Tsikot forum is not the PhUV announced by the MVPMAP, but our own attempt as Tsikoteers. We have no official links with MVPMAP. The only thing we are asking from them is their product catalogues and spec data, so that we could incorporate locally manufactured parts/systems into the Tsikot PhUV. http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35915

OT: BTW, I am also proud to say I was an OFW myself, for 5 years. Music titser ang nanay ko at honest gov't engineer ang tatay ko. Hindi kami mayaman, panganay ako sa pito. Pero sa awa ng Diyos, I have been able to pursue my childhood dream of designing and building my own FILIPINO car. It is a dream of many that I would like them to enjoy, too. KAYA NATIN ITO.:2thumbsup:
It's not a perfect car, but it serves my purposes, it is my OWN.
AND I AM A FILIPINO! :jump2:

meaning tong thread n ito ay para pla s mga future designer at future car manufacturer.now i see kya pla walang makapagbigay ng info tungkol s phuv ng mvpmap.pasensya n at di ko agad nabasa ung mga thread dito.saan b ung thread ng mvpmap?

[ocanursjr]

NYE!! SHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

bkit oyil nbigla k b?yan tinatanggap ko monthly.ngyon me idea k n.hindi ako nagyabang.ayoko lng minamaliit ung mga ofw.