Documentation on "OWNER TYPE JEEP"

[oldblue]

A design challenge is : How would you design an OTJ for the Mayor of Manila and his staff & security entourage? Can you imagine that? But that should be in another thread, with another design core group siguro (para matapos na yung PhUV natin, no?!) -- yung mga tsikoteers na medyo expert sa OTJ. Meron ba?

no need to design new vehicles for them, just issue them armored cars

[hominid]

Hello,

Since nasa OTJ thread tau, me alam po kau nag-a-assemle sa Calamba, Laguna area? Sa San Pablo muka ring marami pero san kaya dun?

[dprox]

Hello,
Since nasa OTJ thread tau, me alam po kau nag-a-assemle sa Calamba, Laguna area? Sa San Pablo muka ring marami pero san kaya dun?

AFAIK the best fabricator in Calamba is Paco Motors.
Pls check your PM.

[jpdm]

Sir dprox,

I went around Cavite last week, it seems halos patay na assemblers talaga. may natira na lang na isa, nag-a-assemble ng Wrangler type/hardtop model. Gumagawa din ng AUV pero sobrang matumal daw. nag-fabricate nalang ng replacement parts ng jeepney at owner type.

I want to help them, at least thru advocacy, marketing. gamitin ko institution namin. I'd ask them if they know that there is a move to revive the local auto and autoparts industry. Di sila updated. I did mentioned the PHUV, di rin nila alam.

As I told you sir, to revive the owner-type jeeps fabricators, they must be given new information about the trends today. kulang na kulang sa updates.

Yung may ari, nagre-reklamo sa mga Subic vehicles kaya di mabili OTJ. Sabi ko naka-ban na yan. peo ayaw maniwala e. kasi naman sir bakit nga ba sandamukal yang SUVic dito sa amin. At ang masakit, e yung mga nagbebenta pa ay mga OTJ fabricators din.

[donutb0y]

hmm.. parang gusto ko rin ng owner type na jeep.. yung mukhang willys.. tapos kulay military green para tigas ang dating! kahit walang aircon ok lang basta open top!

[hominid]

What can u say about the off-roading capabilities of these OTJ? Makukuhanan ba ng parts para d2?

[safeorigin]

OTJ's can do godlike ofroading provided that you tune 'em. atleast put on some roll cage and increase suspension height plus offroad tires.

[dprox]

Sir dprox,

I went around Cavite last week, it seems halos patay na assemblers talaga. may natira na lang na isa, nag-a-assemble ng Wrangler type/hardtop model. Gumagawa din ng AUV pero sobrang matumal daw. nag-fabricate nalang ng replacement parts ng jeepney at owner type.

I want to help them, at least thru advocacy, marketing. gamitin ko institution namin. I'd ask them if they know that there is a move to revive the local auto and autoparts industry. Di sila updated. I did mentioned the PHUV, di rin nila alam.

As I told you sir, to revive the owner-type jeeps fabricators, they must be given new information about the trends today. kulang na kulang sa updates.

Yung may ari, nagre-reklamo sa mga Subic vehicles kaya di mabili OTJ. Sabi ko naka-ban na yan. peo ayaw maniwala e. kasi naman sir bakit nga ba sandamukal yang SUVic dito sa amin. At ang masakit, e yung mga nagbebenta pa ay mga OTJ fabricators din.

Hi jpdm.

Medyo mahapdi itong sasabihin ko, pero nabanggit mo na rin lang, sasabihin ko na rin.
Una, mahina nga sa pag-unawa sa industriya ang mga nag-aasembol - hindi lamang sa Cavite, kundi sa lahat ng prubinsiya. Nag-umpisa silang "siyano" at yung mga nagpursigeng mag-aral at gawing seryosong propesyon ang pag-aasembol ang mga natitira. Yung iba, nalugi na o nagsara. (Yung unang talyer na kinonsulta ko para ipagawa si Chok ay diyan mismo sa Dasmarinas - nagsara na rin, kasi yung may-ari ay madalas daw kasi matalo sa Casino Filipino.)

Ikalawa, mahina ang loob. Walang 'fighting spirit'. Na hindi nila ipinaglaban ang OTJ atbp vs SUVic, ibig sabihin ay wala silang pride sa kanilang gawa. At dapat lang siguro, kasi laos na laos na rin yung mga OTJ at Wrangler. Wala naman silang maipalit. Imbes na tumunganga, ayun, sumuko na lang sa kalaban. Parang hindi Kabitenyo.

Bakit nga ba wala silang maipalit sa OTJ at Wrangler? Kasi -
Ikatlo, mahina sa disenyo. Kaya ang sigaw ko tuwina:
Design is the missing link in the Philippine indigenous auto industry.

Ikaapat - kulang sa pagkakaisa. Hindi rin naman sila nagkakaisa sa layuning pagtibayin ang KINABUKASAN ng katutubong idustriya. Basta makabenta at makaipon, ayos na. Uwian na. No long-range corporate vision. Mababa ang layunin, mababa ang kaligayahan, maikli ang pangarap. How many among them are truly dedicated to automaking? For them, it's tedious work (a necessary evil), not a PASSION.

Pero meron pang ika-lima na dapat mong bigyan ng karagdagang pagsasaalang-alang:
Ikalima - sobrang tigas ng ulo. Kahit hikayatin mo, ayaw mangarap ng ibang disenyong makapanggigising sa natutulog na consumers. They're just plain stubborn, won't listen, and prefer to wallow in their lack of vision. They refuse to heed the call to innovate, maybe because that's beyond their comfort zone. Actually, ganun din ang nangyari sa Sarao.

Am I being too hard on them? O, eto naman: Many of them are victims of the overarching culture of corruption that has brought a series of unfortunate events upon the industry. Totoo rin naman that the business environment leads to frustration, disillusionment, despair, resulting from -
Ika-anim - kulang sa puhunan.

IMHO, you in the academe are in the best position to prime the recovery of the industry. At the core of the solution is EDUCATION and TRAINING. Maraming butas ang edukasyon nila -- hindi sapat para sa malalim at praktikal na pag-unawa sa negosyo at industrya. That way we can RAISE THEIR CONCEPT OF DEVELOPMENT. Kasi mababaw nga ang idea nila of what it means to be developed.

Kailangan ng Filipino academic base na magpapadami ng automotive designers. No base, no design community. No design community, no deal.

[SIZE="1"]Mor analysis: What Ails Our “Cottage” Auto Industry? - part of a paper I wrote on the subject. Also Some Imperatives.[/SIZE]

[hominid]

Bossing Dprox, kamusta po ang Chokaran nyo sa off roading?

[ocanursjr]

Tama k sir dprox! design is the missing link in the Philippine Car Industry.

[zenervox]

mga sir keep it coming more usapang owner type jeep.

tanong ko lang po how much po aabutin pag nag paassyble ako ng ganito.

[dprox]

Bossing Dprox, kamusta po ang Chokaran nyo sa off roading?

Dipende yan sa donor vehicle na gusto mo. Yung Family Utility Vehicle (FUV) version is by no means designed for rock crawling or rainforest challenge; best for normal to rough terrain. But if it's serious offroading you want, first kailangan i-modify yung Chok FUV body para minimal ang weight. An offroad version of Chok will need the usual accessories like mud tires, bumpers, grill guards, winch, foglights, etc. For the frame, you will definitely need a lot of modifications on your suspensions, specifically a lift kit.

[dprox]

mga sir keep it coming more usapang owner type jeep.
tanong ko lang po how much po aabutin pag nag paassyble ako ng ganito.

Anywhere from 140K to 200K, dipende sa power train atbp specs na gusto mo.

[ehnriko]

Hi guys,

I guess I am not off topic if I share my UVX prototype pics here... I built it in 1996 - it's actually an OTJ. It served me for more than 5 years before I sold it as scrap value to a friend.



it's just a modified OTJ body.



with wings! ...




my initial pen sketch... 1996.

I made wooden doors later on which also opens similar to SLR's and McLaren F1's... sorry - lost my pictures... will have to exume them from my baol.

those were the days.

[tanoshi_637]

*enhriko: ok talag mga concept mo bro. btw im not jap, pinoy po ako, tanoshi is the name my car, wala lang ako maisip na handle at the time

Patawad po kung ma OT ako
nung nakita ko yung pinsan ng owner type jeep dito, yung miki moke, i said i wish i have one, malupit!

then when i saw how the mini moke evolved, i wished deep inside sana mag evolve din yung mga OTJ natin.
(tama ka sir dprox, lack of vision & fear to meet the challenges out of comfort zone. Ito din siguro ang kinatalo ng motorolla sa nokia, matagal na nag dominate ang motorolla, very complacent sa development tapos biglang nabasura ng nokia)
Daihatsu Mini Moke





another Mini Moke evolution (not sure of brand, austin ata)

[safeorigin]

[ping] idea in mind. i wish i have my laptop by now. prepare yourselves for a concept on december.

[tanoshi_637]

believe it or not parehas na mini moke (pinsan ng owner type jeep)

[Horsepower]

Parang gusto ko magkaroon ng OTJ ha..



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[Horsepower]

meron bang "open-source" na engine design?

an engine design that can be freely manufactured by anyone?

ito lang kailangan natin (and transmission) for a start.

[ehnriko]

meron bang "open-source" na engine design?

an engine design that can be freely manufactured by anyone?

ito lang kailangan natin (and transmission) for a start.

WHy Not? ... the key is reverse engineering. - not forward. and after reversing - we can leap frog. (it's an approach... not a formula) everyone is doing it.